Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

My overall position is there’s no real difference between the two groups you mention, only how the host countries treat the second group by viewing them as being responsible for affecting the host country in negative ways and exacerbating social problems when in reality it’s not immigrants who have the authority to determine social policy in any country.

Clearly you have never been to an Irish centre anywhere in Britain then. The Irish also 'stubbornly ' held into their culture no matter where they went.

My cousin sent me a video of her kids in May (3rd gen irish) in Bradford, dancing around the Maypole, along with their classmates of Pakistani and Indian decent, mainly. Same girls were also dancing at a feis the same month.

Not the same thing.

I’d agree with you that Governments shouldn’t just let things happen, but that’s idealism more than it is reality. In Swedens case they’re no different than Germany, Ireland, France, the UK or any other country which took in immigrants and then rather than supporting them, left them to their own devices in their own communities.

What happened in Sweden was simply that they changed the way rape offences were recorded with the intent of increasing convictions, and like every country in regards to crime statistics - minority groups were vastly over-represented. We see it here with travellers for example. The reason being that they’re more likely to come to the attention of the authorities given they generally stick out like a sore thumb in society, precisely because they don’t fit in. Meanwhile, statistically speaking its members of mainstream society committing the greatest amount of criminal offences!

I don’t think a points system really makes any difference tbh, it’s not going to prevent anyone from becoming involved in or engaging in criminal activity.

Ireland is not overpopulated and never said it was like the Antarctic.

I posted statistics and links that prove every point I made . ( not that it takes much really as anyone with half a brain would know Ireland has a low population density not only in comparison with Europe but also the rest of the world ).

This post is like a child throwing toys out of a pram ..we disagree and I have proved my point , you just have your opinion and it is factually incorrect .

It reads as do your other posts over the last few days as somebody who doesn't understand what others are saying and not a lot of what you are saying yourself , just reading from a blog or a pamphlet .

" Oy vey " , indeed ?

But why would any Irish emigrant return to a supposedly overpopulated country?

There's been a lot of discussion in the media today about young Irish first time buyers being forced out of the housing market and having to remain living with their parents - and yes, many considering emigration. But it is also quite clear from the same reports that this has little or nothing to do with immigration. These are young Irish people with excellent degrees and very well paid jobs, but the supply simply isn't there. It's not that they are competing with immigrants and refugees - in many cases, they have far more disposable income and savings than non nationals, but despite that, the houses simply aren't there to take out a new mortgage on.

Alot are moving back because they know it could very well the last chance they get to actually there own little piece of home ,

You just don't know what you're talking about.

Ireland is overpopulated. It is over capacity. Nearly every single issue in the country can be readily explained by overcapacity. It is exactly as one would predict from even the most basic of literature.

Aka, overpopulation.

If you think density has anything to do with it, go up to the moon and see.

That you would tell anyone they don’t know what they’re talking about, and then follow it up with what you wrote, isn’t the least bit surprising.

Ireland is neither overpopulated, nor is it anywhere near overcapacity. Population density has the greatest influence on capacity to provide adequate infrastructure and services for the population in urban areas vs rural areas - there is a much greater concentration of people living in Dublin than there is in Donegal.

https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-population-1972445-Mar2015/

Do you believe that the UK, France, Germany, NL, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Portugal etc are also overpopulated?

No doubt they are all extremely vulnerable young men, in urgent need of sanctuary.

Oh so more people live in Dublin than Donegal. What's that to do with the price of milk?

Quite a bit as it happens - you’ll pay a lot more for your pint of milk in Dublin than you will in Donegal, and that’s due to population density - there’s a greater demand on resources in more densely populated areas of the country than there is in less densely populated areas of the country.

That’s why just to take one of your examples - you’ll find it just as difficult to get a child into school in an area where there are none, as you will find it just as difficult to get a child into school in an area where there are plenty of schools, but no capacity for more children!

Same goes for housing, healthcare, etc. The plan to close down regional hospitals in favour of larger hospitals in urban areas is intended to pool resources and services, but it’s meant that people when they need hospital services are having to travel much further to avail of them. Same with policing resources and housing, etc - people don’t want to live rurally, because there’s feckall in the way of supporting infrastructure outside of urban areas. It’s why they prefer to live in urban areas where the resources are, as limited and all as they are. It’s not really an issue for those who can afford it. It’s definitely an issue for those who can’t.

It’s not because Ireland as a country is overpopulated, it’s because Ireland as a country has a fifth of the population concentrated in the capital city - that’s what’s meant by population density, as opposed to overpopulation the way you’re trying to make out. I’m guessing you didn’t bother to read the accompanying article which explains all this, and why Ireland could in theory accommodate a population of 10 million people, if the political will were there to match it with supporting infrastructure and development in rural areas.

It’s not though, most places don’t even have access to decent broadband, something which Government have been unable to achieve for the last 20 years, due to numerous delays in various projects and significant wastage of public funds with nothing to show for it.