Another random person hospitalized after unprovoked attack in Dublin city center

I didn’t express any broad an analysis of my own either, only that our social welfare system is far from generous, it’s shìt.

But your more pertinent question was around the idea of breaking the cycle of intergenerational poverty, and that’s how it’s done, that’s how to change things - first, break the cycle, then continue development in order that in the future people are less likely to be dependent upon welfare.

It’s not just people living in poverty are in receipt on welfare btw, the vast majority of the middle classes are also in receipt of welfare in the form of child benefit as a more direct benefit, and education, healthcare and housing as secondary benefits. They’re just not as dependent on welfare as people living in poverty, which is why initial steps don’t have to be enough, they just have to be enough to break the cycle of intergenerational poverty.

I thought we weren’t doing a deep dive analysis? For what it’s worth though, your analysis is a bit shìt, for a couple of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that tenants in social housing never have their rent paid into their hand, it goes the other way, or at least it should, if a social housing tenant is keeping to their rent agreement:

The average weekly rent charge is €72.54 across the Council's 25,159 tenancies. A report due to be presented to DCC's Finance Committee states that just under a third of all these tenancies - 8,050 - are in rent arrear.

And 51 tenants owe more than €27,000 each, while a further 136 owe between €19,000 and €27,000. Another 589 households have rent arrears of between €11,000 and €19,000.

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/almost-40-million-owed-dublin-25524294?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

So far as just breaking the cycle of intergenerational poverty goes, I didn’t just mention a couple of evening classes to be fair, I offered a couple of suggestions, which are never likely to be implemented by Government as it’s not in their interests to do so, because the majority of people who do actually vote, aren’t interested in the welfare of those who are eligible to vote, but don’t.

No, it’s very much relevant because it’s the difference between income which they pay tax on, like unemployment benefit for example, and social assistance, which is not income, and therefore nobody pays tax on it. You’re trying to portray it as income which a person receives directly from the tax payer when that’s simply not the case, nor is it free money for the person on the dole.

By your logic, the person on the dole paid for my child’s education, and I paid for the education of my work colleagues six children. It’s a good thing on his salary they don’t need the child benefit, but he’s paying more income tax than I do even though I earn more than he does. I suggested one time it was about time he put a ring on his girlfriends finger… he recoiled in horror at the notion of marriage 😂

Anyways, the other suggestions are contained within this post:

Typical “no facilities” waffle.

so what’s his answer then? Always short on specifics

Bikes are ideal for the city centre, can go anywhere on them.

Police across the world use them but you know better sure...

they've been using bikes for years in Dublin and I've yet to hear of any being thrown into our waterways

you really think these kids would give a f*ck if they were named and shamed? they'd probably take it as an ego boost. have you ever met an angry inner city youth in dublin? they're a different breed.

also, good luck trying to get them to do any kind of community service, what if they just outright refuse? beatings? some of you live in a fantasy world.

Well you do seem a bit glib or you'e honstly missing the point. If the West End of London is the equivlant of Dublin CC I can tell you that I never in many years seen the types of people you see in and around O'Connell St there. The dogey areas would be way outside of that district where tourists and visitors would have no reason to visit. You'd see the odd homeless person after dark but not by day. Pickpocets would be an issue but they were often professionsal ones well dressed. I'm say crime rates in London are proproportialy higher than Dublin overall but the West End of London is famously heavily policed with CCTV cameras everywere.

I see no reason at all why a no loitering policy withing a squale mile area could not be introduced in the CC, treating it as a protected area. Start with the groups say sitting on the borardwalk or loitering outside shops. It would be piss easy to identify the skangers, by the way they dress, by the way they sound, by their accent, by their behaviour. Oh wait a mintue, no can't do that, that would be targeting a demopraphic, computer says no.

And yes I do care, I like Dublin, I like citties, I particualry like to walk all over the place when I visit them, rather than going into buildings, musems and that. Unless the building in a pub or nightclub. Walking in the countryside looking at nettles and biodiverstiy doesn't rock my boat. So yeah I want to have plesant expreince when I'm in a city, it's why I'd be there the first place. And whatever reason the skangers are in the city it's not the same reason as my reason.

What's the point in hanging around all day criticising everyone else's posts? Let's just keep giving them more facilities and hope the future completely surprises us all instead. Would love to hear your solution which does not involve doing the same thing we have been doing and expecting different results? Some folks just need a hiding.

Oh ok, just hope for the best then. There will be no more facilities, their role models are not sufficient humans to be actual role models and therapy....right.

Quite possibly. I live 500 yards from a garda station as the crow flies and I'm always amazed at the lack of garda presence in the park near me that has plenty of antisocial behaviour at times.

I'm still firmly in the CC is relatively safe camp. But I think we need more garda visibility. Temple bar should have a constant garda presence of 20+ on foot patrol. Likewise o'connell Street, probably double that really.

I was out at Howth recently and was amazed at how many visible guards there were milling about the harbour. Queuing for food, strolling etc.

When I compare it to my local station it was apples and oranges.

i would imagine it does work in many cases, therapy and access to sports such as boxing and football turned around the lives of many well known sport stars. can you think of any high profile people whos lives were changed by having the sh*t kicked out of them by those in power?

these high profile stars were normal folks to begin with. look at anthony joshua for example.

so what do you think could help troubled teenagers who get up to no good, i mean what solutions, in the sphere of reality that might actually happen, would you recommend?

In the sphere of our current reality? Arm around the shoulder, "you can do no wrong and can be anything you want to be, even with 50 convictions at 18", let the schools raise them while the parents are simply best friends with devices to keep them busy, no structure or actual parenting. Oh and trust them implicitly from an astounding age to the point where you don't know where they are at midnight. They will always be playing chess or something else wholesome, obviously. That sort of stuff. Reality.

Unruly? Interesting, how you choose your words. Mainly just the ones who choose, and it is a choice, to try kick the eye out of a middle-aged man for absolutely no reason. They will never be sports stars, as in your fantasy.

Thank you though, upstanding Boards.ie denizen, for correcting my thoughts. I pray the remainder of my thoughts and opinions will please you. As should all others.

Now, please, excuse my interruption. Everyone back to one side saying Dublin is a Utopia, whilst the other side proclaims it Mordor.

As long as all parties consent, and if it’s appropriate, that might happen:

https://www.probation.ie/en/PB/Pages/WP16000044#:~:text=Victim%20Offender%20Mediation%20(VOM)%3A,assisted%20by%20a%20trained%20mediator.

There’s no concrete evidence of it’s effectiveness, but I’m biased because I think it’s just a ridiculous idea to begin with tbh.

so no having a couple of beers in merrion square or along the canal when the weather is nice? myself and a lot of people i know enjoy doing this in the summer so i'll be voting against this measure anyway!

What’s this we need to get the social housing out of the North Inner City ?

Im from the South Inner City , raised in the city and still working.Myself and my wife both have family and friends all across the north and south inner all living in social housing , inner city flats from Cuffe Street, Kevin Street , Gardiner Street and Dorset Street.

All love living in the city and don’t want to leave it, their kids go to school , they all work and have no criminal history .

Gentrification is one of these new buzz words where pox’s open fancy cafes and starting acting the bollix charging a fortune for a fry or a bit scrambled egg along with ruining local pubs with shite craft beer .

Aye, I read Foxtails post and while I can understand the idea behind advocating for more mixed developments, that’s a complete contradiction to the idea of gentrification! Gentrification is a disaster for the people living in those communities.

I grew up in Kevin Street and still work in the city centre along with socialising in it .

I work just off O Connell and there’s a lot of that area around Talbot Street and Marlborough Street that has been bought up or tried to be bought up by investors from the Far East who want to close down all those pubs and business, demolish the area and turn it into hotels and offices . However bad it’s now , if these investors have their way it will up like IFSC busy by day empty by night with over priced hotels nobody can afford.

Nettle soup is lovely