Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

The 80% is the most significant aspect of that, and shows where this is all going.

Can't believe this thread is still going with that misleading title. If a Transman was competing in this that would be a Woman that transitioned to be a man but I gather the way everyone here is talking that it was a man that transitioned to be a Women.

I disagree with a lot of what has being said in here. I think as long as she is at least a year on hormones she should be allowed to compete as any advantages she had is gone by then.

I disagree with a lot of what has being said in here. I think as long as she is at least a year on hormones she should be allowed to compete as any advantages she had is gone by then.

If you've been reading this thread then you should be aware (from links posted in the last week) that current scientific opinion is that hormone treatment is not enough to suppress the sports performance advantages conferred on anyone who has been through male puberty. You're very much entitled to your opinion that Transwomen should be entitled to compete in the female sex category. however you're incorrect to assert or imply that that opinion has current scientific backing it up. That's exactly why we have a continuing sequence of sports governing bodies restricting eligibilty to the female sex category to, at minimum, people who have not been through male puberty, and more commonly, people identified as being female sex at birth, and excluding all others from that category.

Can you provide that evidence?

Here are two links from this thread that show the current scientific thinking that there is way more than hormones involved in conferring male-sex athletes a performance physical performance advantage over female-sex athletes. Here for one which summarises the science behind why the UCI decided that hormone suppression was not enough to allow transwomen to fairly compete in the female sex category, and here for a running-related one which shows the multiplicity of factors involved, not just hormones.

I'm going to put much much more weight behind those than your assertion that hormone treatment is justification for allowing transwomen to compete in the female sex category. Feel free to counter with any evidence you're using to come to your opinion.

You can do what you want with testosterone levels secondary sex characteristics are irreversible.

It's not that complicated and there is firm scientific consensus.

You might post whatever evidence you have to the contrary rather than just your opinion.

You think if a male takes medication which lowers his athletic performance (so he can no longer compete against elite males), he should be allowed to enter womens categories.

That is extremely denigrating

She/he is not taking medication so they can no longer compete against males. They are taking it because it becomes it helps them become the person they always should have been.

That is extremely denigrating to Women.

I disagree. As when a Transwomen has SRS/GRS surgery and has been on Estrogen for a year or more then their testosterone is hugely reduced and now at the same level as a CIS Womens so any advantage is lost.

You are saying that it is more important for the medicated & underperforming male to have a chance of winning, than it is for women* to have a category that belongs exclusively to them.

No I am not as it is not male that is competing but a female.

Women still have a category that belongs exclusively to them and this person is and always has been a woman too so her competing in it should not make any difference.

@Large bottle small glass

Found that paper, The Biology of Sex and Sport. More and more citations to read.

She would probably have the medals to claim to be our greatest track athlete only for the doping Szabo and the three Chinese who came from nowhere.

Literally bumped into her when she was at her peak, lovely woman.

Hahah, I love that they call mediocre numbers, which they are. A 400lbs total powerlifting total is meh.

Seems like the evidence that you asked for two weeks ago has still not arrived....

According to that person, all the other women in the categroy are just "so bad". Even their son who weighs 45lbs can lift almost as much as a fully grown woman. Yeah no ****. You are both males and they aren't, thats why. Duh.

Sick of being told by male people that women just need to do better and try harder. Absolute joke

Blame Canada!

Anne Andres’ total powerlifting score at the Brandon University Healthy Living Centre event was 597.5 kilograms, which was over 200 kilograms more than her opponent SuJan Gill who held a 387.5 kg score.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/pop-culture/news-who-anne-andres-trans-male-breaks-women-s-powerlifting-record-sparks-online-controversy

Tamara Walcott (born 1983/1984) is a powerlifter from the United States Virgin Islands. She started powerlifting in 2018. In August 2022, Guinness World Records credited her with setting a world record for lifting 737.5 kilograms (1,626 lb) during the three compound lifts (squat, bench press, and deadlift) at the 2022 World Raw Powerlifting Federation American Pro. She also set a world record for the heaviest elephant bar deadlift by a woman for lifting 291 kilograms (642 lb) (raw) during the Arnold Sports Festival in March 2022.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Walcott