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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Posts: 2,725 [Deleted User]


    I do think RTE needs to be reformed. Never disputed that. That said you need to pay C-Suite calibre people C-Suite calibre salaries. You also need to pay your stable of talent. It’s a hard thing to benchmark for sure, but a public profile means you get paid more.

    Funding model needs to be looked. Can’t have people refusing to pay for a public service. Gather it through the electricity bill standing charge. Then you have no one avoiding it. Clean and simple.

    Tubs was cleared of any wrongdoing with the report today. He will be back on the radio in September. That will make some people on the internet even angrier than usual, but that’s for them to work through and not Tubs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    And again we have said on countless of occasions that Tubs lied going back on reports about his wage in previous years, and he could have at any stage told RTÉ that the figures publish were in correct, while neither of these things amount to what RTÉ did he still lived with lies and he clearly was aware of them.

    This is not just about Tubs. It about all of the problems in RTÉ and governance there carried out by C-suite people.

    Now your into defending the license fee and paying for the public service broadcaster as if this is the cause of all the problems. You simple laying the blame on the audience for not understanding.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Top Irish talent like: Graham Norton(Who suffered the same maths teacher as me), , who started life as the worlds most irritating priest on Father Ted. Darra O'Briain who started life as a presenter on RTE's Echo Island, Ardal O'Hanlon who grew up a mile from me. Geez Im forggetting the king of broadcasting, Terry Wogan who started out at RTE as a broadcaster. They all went to the UK and all did very well for themselves, and they are but a small number.

    Tubs tried the UK but they didn't take his smarm, the way the auld biddies here do who interpret it as charm. Joe Duffy didn't bother trying the UK as they wouldnt be able to understand him anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭Orange-Coca-Cola


    I wonder what sort of outrage might be caused if, for example NK decided to sue. If he had decided that was what he should do and he had already set the wheels in motion. How that might affect things.



  • Posts: 2,725 [Deleted User]


    Not blaming the audience. With reform should come a sustainable funding model that allows our public service browsing and independent production sectors to have financial stability.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I think the reform should happen before we change the payment method, otherwise we cannot hold RTÉ to account if they remain in their current guise.

    I do not believe that Irish TV has serviced us well over the last 60 odd years, and I wonder about Radio both commercial and public.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    A Sean Moncrief afternoon type show. Live at 3 but on radio presented by someone competent. Someone at least able to work the sound desk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,137 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    He wasnt cleared of any wrongdoing today.

    The report was only into one period of time and explicitly called out it was limited in what findings it could make.

    This is just misinformation you are posting trying to plant a falsehood.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I don't think anyone argues with that but does anyone actually think there would be any kind of reform. The place needs a clearout, top to bottom, the board and the talent especially. This is Ireland and institution after institution shows absolutely no wish to reform. A new nameplate over the door but the same nonsense continues behind the door.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Karppi


    The reaction of RTE staff to any confirmation of the radio reappearance of Ryan will be interesting.

    Ryan relies completely on a set list of questions on cue cards and has proven himself incapable of ad-libbing and spontaneous thought. Someone has to undertake all that research and do the spade work. I would call the person "that poor sod" but I suspect the actual job title is researcher, and I understand there are multiple researchers buttressing Ryan on the radio show. Ryan seems to drift in with a few minutes to spare, be passed a coffee (I was going to say, "grabs himself a coffee", but I suspect that's below him) and then misread a few stories in the paper, and riff on some random thought for 20 minutes or so.

    After his recent performances - "I'm with you, guys, we're all in this together, blah, blah, blah" - I'd say that nobody will actually want to work with him. I've seen similar circumstances during my career. Some poor sods are ultimately coerced into doing the job, but there's so much institutional resentment about the behaviour of the "talent" that they wait in the long grass. and then - out of a clear blue sky - they pounce. And then the Emporer's nudity is exposed for all to see.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I work in a very different industry but have worked in a few places where there was the "talent" aka the Sales Directors and Business Developers, and the people who did the work. The sales guys would wander in basically whenever they felt like it, in a sharp suit. No, "why are you late", because the excuse would always be "I was with a client". I might be sent to the arse end of nowhere for a week doing the work that was agreed over a boozy lunch by one of these characters, but I'd be earning a fraction of what they were on.

    I'd imagine there is quite a bit of anger in RTE among the 'plebs'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    Rte needs to change if it wants to keep any audience.

    How many under 35s actually/actively listen to or watch the?

    These jnlr figures...what air do they pull them out of?


    It will end with him weasling his way back, coming over all contrite but unbelievable and things will carry on.

    Forbes will maintain her silence behind the sick cert and the PAC boys will go onto other things.

    Cest la vie



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,788 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Whether before or after the reforms take place makes no difference. It'll have to be funded by the taxpayer eitherways.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It makes a massive difference because over the last 2 decades they have been unwilling to make any changes. At any point all executive had plenty of opportunity to show what they are about, in the last 2 months RTÉ could have started on that reform worked hard to show the audience what they are about, instead as usual they went on holidays in August as usual.

    Kevin Bakhurst should have walked in and said right we have to get this right over the next 2 months and because of the mistakes the management team made we no have to ensure that we have a cohesive team that can make sure that the fears of the public are laid to rest, and that means staff working their ass off until we get it right across all platforms.

    Nothing as usual from RTÉ. It is a pathetic organisation.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Posts: 2,725 [Deleted User]


    That’s how the world works though. The sales guys do the boozing, schmoozing and golfing with the clients and bring in the business. They usually make more than others in the business. The business deems them to be more important to the success of the company than support staff, back office, admin etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,387 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    He's not worth more than 40 grand a year.

    It's not even a real job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,137 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Thats why they want to get away from licence fee and commercial funding.

    They want mandatory tax on all households so they are well funded regardless of audience.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,788 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    If no reform takes place, we'll still have to fund it until such time as reforms take place. The Government won't let it collapse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,327 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    RTE trying to put a spin on this, Virgin Media are having none of it, notably reporting on statements from members of PAC.

    What I find frustrating is, in my opinion, this report is incomplete. Dee Forbes didn't contribute. Neither did Jim Jennings, Director of Content.

    I find that if you read between the lines, the journalists working within RTE are also not the biggest fans of Tubridy and co. Sandra Hurley's report a few days ago mentioned his 'future remains in doubt'... that stood out to me, as it sort of showed some of her own view, if you will. Less a reporting on the facts.

    I think Tubridy's statement REEKED of entitlement.

    I don't think this is the end of the saga. I mean, RTE are down €4.5 million since this whole debacle started. Do they honestly think people are not paying their license fee 'until Tubridy returns to the airwaves', and then the licenses will be renewed overnight? IF they do, I have a mannequin who I think will be an amazing presenter for Nationwide. Will work for €150000, no worries.

    Also this... this is a 'mess around, and find out' kind of article. I can't see Tubridy taking such a pay cut.




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Kevin Bakhurst came in over the holiday period and so had time and breathing space to start making changes.

    We are half way through August. What has he done? Nothing. During a time of controversy, when the public are watching is actually the best and the easiest time to make changes. If he can't do anything during the easy honeymoon period, I dont hold much hope for sweeping reforms anytime soon.



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  • Posts: 2,725 [Deleted User]


    You never make permanent decisions with temporary feelings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭RoTelly



    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Kevin Bakhurst will go down in media history for missing one of the best chances anyone has ever had to bring about change in a Public Service Broadcaster that is wedded to the old ways. I think the issue is that he's not a "new broom". He's been here before. I think somebody has already said that his broom is like Trigger's from Only Fools and Horses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,225 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    You really don't understand do you?? People have been looking askance at the eye watering fees paid to RTE 'talent' for many years. There's nothing temporary about this. The applecart was finally turned over in June and some aspects of the wasteful and possibly illegal activity revealed. It's now exposed to public view with the rest of the media and relevant politicians kicking over the contents to reveal the full extent.





  • Like an inquest which explores how death happened, but not the assignment of blame to any party/parties



  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭Orange-Coca-Cola


    Tubridy is not C-Suite, I am failing to understand why you keep mentioning that with him. Also your marketing terminology is evident again today with a very uneven slant. As for a public profile meaning that they get paid more, that should surely be a good reason to remove the dead weight with the public profile. He is not a controversial figure, despite this scandal, he is not creative, fast-thinking nor knowledgable on any particular subject [and on and on]. Your shtick seems to be asking who would replace him and implying that he is doing a good job there. A genuine answer is pretty much anybody, the two that have replaced him are doing a good job. I am aware that you have mentioned you are not a fan [all the while ignoring the fact that this entire thread is made up of people citing the same about Tubs]. To put some questions back to you, I expect you to pretend not to see this though, where do you think Tubs talent lies? Is it during interviews, debates or humour? Is it with his knowledge of music, history, general affairs, politics? Why is it that you think Tubs is best suited to the bullsh*t hour? The hour where they could have a Myna bird batting out phrases and the public would not even notice, and he the highest paid. With the salary this artist is or was demanding, and his alleged talent, should he not be taking up a more specialised slot on the radio?

    With regards to "Tubs was cleared of any wrongdoing with the report today", that is purposely inaccurate and a blatant untruth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    So after all of this disgusting scandal has been exposed........

    Who is actually going to face consequences?

    Where does responsibilty lie?

    Who is to blame?

    Where the fùck is Dee Forbes and her bullshìt "'sickness" now?

    Everyone is still getting paid, lots of golden handshakes etc.....and whats worse, there are huge solicitor/professional fees being dished out as a result of this mess.....

    In the end, nothing will change....its the taxpayer that foots the bill....

    Must we really suffer Tubridy and his fake tears for the RTE staffers that will inevitably be shown the door as a direct result of keeping him onboard??

    What a fùcking rotten state of affairs......

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users Posts: 819 ✭✭✭alzer100


    IMO, I don't think it was really appropriate for Tubridy to release a statement today in tandem with the release of the GT report. I think he should of waited until there was an official announcement from RTE regarding his position. Now, in fairness we all know what that is going to be right? but he's waving a red rag to a bull when using such words as 'rebuilding trust with colleagues and 'listeners' when RTE have not yet given him the official green light to return yet and I think it's going to anger more people into not paying the tv licence.

    The thing about Ryan Tubridy whether you have worked with him or not, you can read between the lines and see that it's ALWAYS about him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    So, just like Tubs and Joe Duffy? They bring in the listeners and viewers which earns RTE money, and earn many multiples of the researchers and sound engineers, without whom, the show would not go on.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Temporary feelings?

    Are you being serious or is this all an elaborate case of trolling?



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