Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

It shares the same culture as the majority feeling the middle east so why do people flee to a rocky outcrop on the periphery of Europe if they seek protection.

Ehh, the answer to that question seems a bit obvious? Because the people fleeing from neighbouring countries and even Saudi itself, don’t share the same culture and don’t share the same values and are fleeing persecution for not doing so. They share more in common with their fellow countrymen and women who are living in countries in the West, and in particular a rocky outcrop on the periphery of Europe where they can avail of protection without fear of persecution. They’re less likely to be persecuted in Ireland than they are in France, Germany, the UK or the US for example. That’s why they come here, because there are people who are like them here already who aren’t forced to pretend to adopt the host countries traditions and cultural values in order to be treated as equals.

Once he gets that golden ticket social house for €50 a week he’s made it.

A follow on question then would be why is it not mostly women and children coming here.

Men stay and fight and women and children flee during wars.

But we are to believe all the men are fleeing and women and children are staying at home to fight.

Refugees can seek asylum for all sorts of reasons : war, natural disaster, famine, racial, ethnic or religious discrimination in their own country, sexual discrimination, people fleeing criminal gangs, people fleeing an authoritarian regime etc Literally anyone who is displaced and has to move country can be considered a refugee.

Aaargh more silliness....What are you talking about the moon in relation to population density?

I thought about answering this post as if it was serious, but really think, you are either taking the pvss or a little overwhelmed by being allowed to post in a thread and its affected your reasoning.. So either way a waste of my time.

And so on and so forth.. Lol!

Are people here buying this nonsense from this poster over and over.. Same post written in a few different ways over the last five or so pages of the thread...

But in 1840 they weren't refugees,

Occupiers of illegal stolen lands maybe

He’s completely wrong in saying the country is overpopulated. There’s no such thing as overpopulation in relation to health, education, policing services etc. Those issues are the result of population density - a concentration of people in the capital putting an increasing demand on resources, while the the same level of demand simply does not exist outside the capital. Outside the capital is the opposite problem - there’s not the same population density so resources are pooled into a common area, and people have to travel to get to them.

The way to address the issues is to invest in infrastructure in rural areas, but what Government are doing is putting the horse before the cart and increasing the number of people in these areas, without the infrastructure needed to support future increases in demand for infrastructure and services.

It won’t be resolved quickly, there hasn’t been a need to resolve the issue for the best part of the last few decades, and it’ll take decades before there is any significant change. The one thing I really hope not to see is those plastic containers they’re calling ‘modular homes’ dotted around the country like halting sites which councils will have no interest whatsoever in maintaining. Because that’s who will be responsible for maintaining them - councils, who have historically let their housing stocks become derelict rather than spending the money to maintain them and make them habitable for humans.

The other issues you mentioned will be dealt with on a continuing basis in just as haphazardly and knee-jerky a fashion as before, because forward-planning and development are not high priorities outside of urban areas. Hell they’re not even high priorities in urban areas, but they’re seen to somewhat quicker for triage at least!

No, I said population density was the problem, that’s not overpopulation. The services could be provided if Government weren’t more interested in doing so in what appears to be the most short-sighted, immediate term, inefficient way possible. In trying to resolve the issues quickly, as you suggest, which is how they’ve always done things, they are yet again making a complete balls of it and ruining any chance for future development outside of the capital city.

Tbh I do understand how Leo qualified as a doctor, but more relevant is that he’s an incredible politician, running rings around Micheal, Eamonn and co. It’s not just Leo is making these decisions though, it’s more the job of civil servants, and they’re just as interested in feathering their own nests and looking after the people in their networks than they have any interest whatsoever in the running of the country as a whole.

It’s why when the idea of decentralisation was mooted the first time by way of moving Government departments out of Dublin, a lot of money was spent on the idea before it pretty much came to nothing a few years later:

Many countries have attempted to relocate civil servants, and of course we have also tried it in the past. The most recent example in the Irish case, was Charlie McCreevy’s proposal in 2003, where he floated his idea of decentralisation just hours before the 2004 Budget. In the then Minister for Finance's plan, 10,300 civil and public servants were to relocate from Dublin to 53 locations in 25 counties. Since the plan was enacted back in 2004, only a third of the planned number of workers relocated, and it was subsequently abandoned in 2011 and considered a failure.

What to do when you fail at something the first time? Don’t learn anything from it and do exactly the same thing again, seems to be how Government works! 😒

The government will point to the Ireland 2040 plan as the intervention that will disrupt the pro-Dublin development bias. I have zero faith in this plan resulting in regional convergence and/or in its ability to meet the population growth targets it has set for areas outside of the Dublin city region. Let's recall some of the targets. Each of the provincial cities are expected to grow its population by between 50 and 60%, i.e. at more than twice the rate of Dublin. The NPF growth target for Cork, Limerick, Galway and Waterford is two-and-a-half times the long-term historical growth ratefrom the past 50 years of these centres combined.

But despite the optimistic growth plans for areas outside Dublin, Ireland’s 2040 plan per capita spend at county level from 2018-2027 has Dublin receiving the highest. How will that help rebalance growth? Vast areas of the country are receiving very little, while provincial cities are receiving what I would argue are the wrong big ticket programmes for their current needs (i.e. roads leading to sprawl and dispersed development). The Ireland 2040 plan is also being implemented with largely an unchanged institutional top down approach, albeit with some implementation and oversight changes at regional assembly level. 

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2019/1007/1081547-why-ireland-needs-real-decentralisation/