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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭McFly85


    It’s pretty sad that people view this as Biden jailing Trump.

    Biden has the square sum of fúck all to do with it. Trump is being charged in various states for various crimes because there is enough evidence to get those to trial. It’s as simple as that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,078 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Or, ANYONE who wants to commit a crime (any crime) could simply run for office and commit any crime they want.


    "Dip-lo-met-ic Im-mew-nety"




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I think he should be jailed if found guilty but I think,even then it is up to the US to decide.

    What if civil war or frozen political divides is on the cards? I mean ,who really give a * about an abhorrent media whore with zero sense of class?


    It is his supporters and apologists we need to be anxious over.


    If there are alternative ways to humiliate him ,satisfy his victims and placate his crowds of zombies then I am open to suggestions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,628 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    So he's a failed fascist. Typically Trump couldn't pull it off. Doesn't make him any less of a fascist.

    His intent was clear.

    LOCK HER UP!

    Clearly fascistic. Your own words, your own standards.

    Trump is fascist.

    Check mate.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed - Because he had no evidence , not even enough to bring a charge , just hyperbole and lies.

    Just as the GOP despite all their pearl clutching have yet to successfully bring charges against any of the multitude of people they accuse on TV of committing all kinds of crimes.

    On the other hand there are any number of GOP players and associates that have been charged and found guilty or are pending prosecution.

    On the one side you have bloviating liars who magically go quiet when under oath or who mostly never get past spouting nonsense on TV and on the other you have people that follow the rule of law and present evidence in front of Grand Juries and then those Grand Juries level charges against the offenders.

    And so far , pretty much everyone that have gone in front of a Judge in Trump related nonsense has been convicted.

    Can you see the difference??



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  • Registered Users Posts: 960 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    You aren't dealing with people of average intelligence or people who aren't scrotes hence why you see the monkey see monkey do comments about Biden jailing trump online.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭amandstu


    That does seem to fit into Trump's mo of projection.@everlast75 seems to have taken it a step further and it may have been on his mind to ,so to speak prospectively absolve himself by muddying the waters with apparently plausible accusations against others.

    I have long felt he is a kind of Corrupter /Manipulator in Chief who willing dupes are not really much better than he is.


    We are all imperfect but he is able to prey on our imperfections.


    America Worst.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,815 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    "The state department has completed its years-long internal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of private email and found “no persuasive evidence of systemic, deliberate mishandling of classified information”."

    Trump didn't lock up Hillary Clinton because after a long investigation into Hillary Clinton regarding her emails, there wasn't enough evidence found to warrant criminal prosecution. That's because there is a burden of proof, thresholds of evidence, and an intentional basis to commit criminal acts, which can determine if criminal prosecution is warranted.

    Those things have been found for not one, not two, not three, but (currently) four different indictments, for criminal acts committed by Donald Trump.

    You cannot say the comparison between the two proves your point when there is no reasonable comparison to be made between the two. There is substantial evidence of intentional criminal wrongdoing by Trump. An investigation into Hillary didn't find that. The investigations (absolutely warranted and reasonable in their scope due to the underlying evidence) into Trump has.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭Economics101


    No so: Gislane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein for starters.

    Compared with South America? Two presidents of Brazil (including the current incumbent) were jailed on corruption charges. There were no riots, only due process. Compered with the likes of Russia, you may not have noticed that the difference is that totally innocent people are locked up, often in cruel and inhumane conditions. How can you compare that with Trump.

    Also you would give any criminal a get out of jail card if he just became and election candidate and thereby immune form "political" persecution.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Give him another term and he would set about dismantling the Justice system(and ororganize a third and subsequent term for his cronies or favoured family member)



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He has already made it clear that it is his absolute intention to dismantle the majority of the current Government structure if he was to get back into the White House.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users Posts: 83,357 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 83,357 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No, Trump left the White House and didn't intend on staying on

    you’ll find the DOJ has a much better grasp of this and no, he definitely had no intent on leaving the White House.



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    That's at odds with the footage of him leaving the White House.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,874 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think Trump should absolutely be jailed if found guilty. It won't happen of course because gammony old one percenters seem to be a protected caste over there but it says much about their so-called justice system that it can be this easily exploited by someone like Trump.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,357 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    “Oh, right. The poison... The poison for Kuzco, the poison chosen specially to kill Kuzco, Kuzco's poison.”

    Not for lack of trying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,357 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,078 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I've seen people being kicked out of a pub. Didn't mean they had every intention of leaving.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    You mean the footage of him sneaking off in a huff and breaking centuries of tradition by not going to the inauguration of his rightfully elected successor?

    Having spent every second from Election day right up to that moment doing everything in his power to hold on to an office that he lost in a free and fair election?

    That's the footage you think shows that Donald "The Rapist" Trump willingly left the White House??



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,815 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Nobody is saying he had to be physically removed from the White House. You're wilfully ignoring the whole "conspiracy to prevent the election results from being certified, trying to have fake electors presented and counted in his favour rather than the official electors, pressuring local officials to claim there were issues with the votes, propagating false claims of election fraud, and riling up a crowd telling them the election had been stolen from them and sending them to march on the Capitol where the votes were due to be certified which resulted in a riot and storming of the Capitol building" thing.

    He left the White House willingly only after every attempt at overturning the results of the election failed and the election results had been certified. However his actions from the night of the election to Jan.6th are not the actions of someone who respected the will of the people and the results of a democratically held election. His actions were that of a wannabe dictator desperately trying to cling on to power through improper and in many cases illegal means. The fact he failed at his attempts does not mean he left office willingly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Which is at odds at him trying to steal the election



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The poster you're talking to made the comparison between Jimmy Saville and Marcus Rashford, because both were involved in a bit of charity work. I don't think comparisons are a strong point of his, to be perfectly honest.

    So it should come as no surprise at all, that they would think there's a comparison to be made with the spurious nonsense about "emails" that Trump and his cronies threw about in 2016 and the recent criminal indictments that have been made against Trump himself.

    They're chalk and cheese, to say the very least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,357 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump is big ‘orange’ mad that Fox is railroading him about skipping the debate next week

    Meanwhile Fox News has chosen Vivek as their own breath of fresh air of the moment

    Trump plans to counterprogram the debate with Tucker Carlson, presumably on that platform that used to have a popular name, now sounds like a porn site for crypto incels gone wrong, where Carlson hasn’t been able to claw back any real audience share from cable television.




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,039 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    "I can't defend him directly anymore, so I'll make as many vapid contrarian comments as I possibly can"

    What's fantastic is, the GOP have hitched themselves so much to Trump, that he's going to take it down with him. They will hobble into the next election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,010 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Good news. No one is jailing their political opponent in this case.


    The concept of justice is that it needs to be blind. Having a career shouldn't give political immunity (though a few like Burlosconi tried to argue as much as they defrauded their country).



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    That's absolute bullshít. Trump did all he could do to remain in power. That's what the whole Stop The Steal, alternate electors and asking Georgia to create votes for him out of thin air. It's why he tried to get Mike Pence not to certify the election.

    Are you unaware of these actions or are you somehow unable to understand the intent behind those actions in relation to remaining in power?



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,357 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    In all likelihood Trump won’t be thrown in jail unless he is convicted and duly sentenced, or if he continues to brazenly defy his pre trial conditions. There has been no real effort to jail him for political effect ahead of being proven guilty or not; and if anything it’s somewhat a practical matter, he’s got criminal cases to answer in FL, GA, NY, and DC. The prisoner transfers would be a sonnofabitch to drag him around to all his various trials.

    Trump knows this though and he knew it from his arraignment in FL, the DOJ wasn’t going to so much as put an ankle monitor on him. There seems to be some amount of effort by him to “scrupulously” (as his current lawyer put it) see where the line is on his various gag orders at this point and see if he can get jailed in a way that makes it look like he’s being politically persecuted and not simply being met with the consequences of his own actions. That’s why you hear rape defenders practically giddy about him being in a jail cell simply so they can abuse the current administration of being the fascists here.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    But but but.. The fat man-child Rapist wasn't filmed screaming and holding on to the door frame by his finger-nails as burly Federal agents maced him and physically dragged his corpulent body out so that means that he left "willingly".

    Or something.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,078 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    With NO evidence of election fraud (This is a proven fact)

     

     "It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???"

     

     “We are going to win four more years. And then after that, we’ll go for another four years because they spied on my campaign. We should get a redo of four years,”

     

     “And 52 days from now we’re going to win Nevada, and we’re going to win four more years in the White House. And then after that, we’ll negotiate, right? Because we’re probably – based on the way we were treated – we are probably entitled to another four after that,”

     

     “Make sure because the only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that. It’s the only way we’re going to lose this election, so we have to be very careful.”


    Just a few. Questions?



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