Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

See, all we need is a plan. Maybe throw in more progressive and coherent action while we're at it, everyone loves that.

305k PPS numbers issued last year of which 70k for Irish. A few more bunk beds n were sorted!

It is a joke. We need to start building , and building fast. It's not as if we haven't known for years that we have a housing crisis. Time to start treating it like a crisis and get building.

Fairly simple. Why has nobody thought of this.

Even if we did have the manpower, are posters seriously suggesting that we build and build indefinitely. What’s the endgame here? Concrete over the entire country? No doubt those same posters paradoxically champion their green credentials.

We are one of the few countries in the EU with relatively strong levels of natural population growth. That fact, plus the current levels of exorbitant inward migration, are a recipe for disaster. We simply can never build enough to satisfy current insatiable levels of demand.

So you approve of concreting over large swathes of the country? Are you suggesting that intensifying urban sprawl is a desirable outcome? How about a decrease in natural habitat and an accompanying increase in emissions?

You admitting you would prefer to see the destruction of our natural landscape, rather than regulating inward migration?

Actually, that’s not what I said. That’s your typically muddled interpretation.

Reasonable natural population growth is a net positive. As I’ve explained to you countless times, it ensures that we have a relatively healthy population pyramid. It’s also quite predictable.

Frankly, it’s immaterial to me if you agree or otherwise.

The way you dismiss my comment as anti-immigratiin is ridiculous. Obviously you come in here just read one post and make your mind up about a person. If you read through the thread a bit you would see I'm for immigration.

Another poster mentioned the lack of services and staff. He has a point that if there isn't sufficient education, medical, welfare and policing services to cope with the population then we are overpopulated until such time as those issues are fixed. It's a good point and I have to agree with it.

Anybody who thinks we should be bringing in more people with such a dreadful lack of services is crazy. It's going to lead to bad health, more crime, more people homeless etc. I'm not talking about just Irish born people here, I'm talking about everybody residing on this island.

Who is to say that population growth caused by immigration is not "natural"? Population growth in nearly every single city in the world for example is nearly always boosted by people moving to it from other parts of the country (and often other countries). There's nothing remotely unnatural about this phenomenon.

The fact that births minus deaths constitutes natural population growth doesn't mean there is anything "unnatural" about population growth brought about by immigration. People have been migrating from place to place for thousands of years.

You mentioned demography, but any demographer would tell you that immigration and emigration or the movement of people from any one place to another in general is a key element in the study of human populations : as important as birth and death rates.

This thread is about immigration, not about the legal or accepted definition of what constitutes population growth. You seem to be coming at the immigration issue as if immigration is somehow an aberration or abnormal and something which needs to be strictly regulated or even curtailed (or in cases where you and you and your friends deem fit e.g. the supposedly overpopulated Ireland).

But any demographer would argue that movement of people or migration is as normal a phenomenon as population growth (or decline) caused by births and deaths. Humans are naturally migratory and considerable numbers of them choose not to spend their lives in the place they were born or grew up.

It's overpopulation by horrible services. Not by how many people come here.

Our country cannot supply the services for the amount of people living here hence overpopulation.

It's got nothing to do with how much space we have. We have loads of space.

We don't have the services or the houses for people coming in.

These things need to be sorted out, and until they are we should not be letting anybody in. It's unfair to new immigrants and the people already living here.

I'm all for immigration. My only issue outside of what's said above is recidivist criminals coming here and hurting the reputation of all the decent hard working people that come here from those countries.

Free travel throughout Europe should not be open to those with recent and lengthy criminal records.

This sounds great on paper but what government is going to publicly announce "Sorry, but we've made such an utter hames of running the country and of building new houses that we're going to stop anyone else from moving here"? I don't think any government in the western world has ever blocked immigration because there are "too many" people living in the country.

It would be a very risky strategy too - the danger would be that the migrant workers might never return, not even after a time where the government announces it is now in favour of immigration again and needs the inflow (witness what has been happening with the Tory Brexit regime and EU citizens....they no longer want to go there).

Can you put up a post from a poster that wants to keep their 'bloodlines pure'?