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Irish Times Biodiversity Crusade

  • 22-08-2023 1:23pm
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    Has anyone noticed the relentless pushing of articles by the editors of the Irish Times where biodiversity is to the fore? The attacks on farmers and foresters by opinion writers by writers like O'Toole, Mullally and McSweeney are growing and are unchallenged as the editorial policy is clearly to support the current Green Party agenda.

    Shame to see such uninformed and unbalanced reporting. Clearly the paper of the middle class mummies and latte drinkers. Mustn't upset that demographic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Is there an argument against biodiversity? Does anyone think that reducing the number of plant and animal species in the wild is actually a beneficial course of action?



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its not just the Irish Times. Every news source in the country now features some kind of Climate/Environment section

    Its almost like as if its an important topic that readers are interested in




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,669 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    what do you mean by unbalanced reporting? you mean they should be publishing counter-articles stating that ireland is biodiverse enough, or even too biodiverse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,286 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Well, the Irish times has plenty of articles and advertising promoting rampant crazed ecosystems destroying consumerism to be fair.

    It's like "can I plant a tree to offset my families carbon footprint on a holiday in goa in november". No, you ******* can't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,130 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Biodiversity is an attack on rural Ireland by the South County Dublin elites in their West Cork holiday homes they visit once a year



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,669 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    this thread probably is not going the way the OP hoped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,130 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Not a balanced OP for demanding of balanced takes tbh. What's the problem with biodiversity and how is it an attack on farmers and foresters? Without bemoaning mummies and lattes please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,300 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,477 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Straight to the well-poisoning. Always a red flag, that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What way would that be?

    I wonder how many of oy just eat what you are given. Mullally for example is incorrect in much of what she reports and the IT refuses to entertain opinions critical of their reporting.

    Urban folk at play as usual. I'd better don the flat cap and hang over the half-door for when you pass by.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,669 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yes, the irish times is my bible and una mullally can write no wrong. all hail the old lady of d'olier street!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Any specifics at all? I'm in favour of increasing biodiversity tbh. Don't see why you wouldn't be. Farming and increased biodiversity and habitat promotion/should go hand in hand imo. Btw I'm a part time farmer from Tipperary so go away with this urban rural divide shite. This year I'm proud to say we replanted hedges that my Dad ripped out in the 80s. BTW, it's hugely ignorant to be trotting out the "Green Party agenda "shite. Practically all our environmental committments were signed by FF, FG and Labour. Not having a go at you personally but sick of seeing debates poisoned by ignorance and lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Those "Just Stop Biodiversity" lads are the feckin' worst.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,925 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    The IT is never reluctant to publish letters disagreeing with, or admonishing, their opinion pieces. Put a coherent letter together pointing out the bias, why it is incorrect, or misrepresentative, and it would be published for balance. I've done it many times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    If you read the Irish Times you deserve to be misinformed. The purpose of media is to control public discourse. Irish people do love being told what to think tho, there is that! And we hate hearing alternate views....that really gets us angry!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,669 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    is that what 'woke' is? are you 'woke' because you know not to trust the media, so you make up your own opinions, unpolluted by mere information?



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wake up sheeple!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Haha ha...right...woke has nothing to do with it, the Irish Times has been a pro government rag for decades!!! It doesn't take a genius to know that fear and shame are tools used to control people.....but of course, us Irish love it...trust in media is plummeting around the world but I'm willing to bet we are the outlier.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Intensive agriculture and monoculture forestry being terrible for nature, they're not wrong.

    Also terrible for nature; manicured gardens and lawns, pesticides, proprietary poisons intended for vermin, golf courses, acres of tarmac and concrete. Pollution; incl domestic and industrial. So having a swipe at everyone here, not just farmers!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    people should switch their residential plots over to permaculture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    LED street lighting, coastal conurbations, motorways, foreign travel, wine, diverse and/or niche diets. All bad for biodiversity, most are good for the life and style section in IT



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ireland has an export driven agriculture so increasing biodiversity would have zero effect on Irelands ability to feed itself. It may cost more to finance, but then again ecosystem services such as flood reduction, increased air quality and increased water quality would probably offset any costs to the country overall.

    Unfortunately in the good old days biodiversity (trees and such) were seen by farmers as the enemy to be destroyed and that is why we are in such a dire state at the moment. The balance has to be redressed and we have to start to value biodiversity as much as we value exported beef and dairy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,057 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Ireland's mostly small acreage rural farming practices with many a hedgerow and stone wall, often with knot of trees on a 'fairy fort' or the corners of a field, are a strong promotion of biodiversity in a way that the massive grid square fields of uniform crops that often characterise intensive farming elsewhere do not.

    If the IT want to promote biodiversity they should take a bigger swing at Coillte, who, when they're not trying to sell half of Ireland to a vulture fund are blighting the landscape with non-native Sitka spruce trees that poison the earth and turn the land and bogs they are planted on into dead zones, because feck all can live in those forrests. Our 'national forestation policy' is actually driven by pure greed rather than a concern for the environment. We have only 1% of the country covered in native forest as a result.

    Of course, tackling big businesses, that cause the majority of environmental harm, is not in the nature of our quisling government, not when there’s a little guy they can tax, regulate and bother.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,669 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    "not as intensive as grain operations on former prairies" is not the same as "a strong promotion of biodiversity".

    in the same way that 'not as bad' is not the same as 'good'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭randd1


    What amazes me about so many of these articles is how often the writer comes form an rea of the country where they're likely never have set foot on a farm and have no clue how the food they eat got on their table, or ever went near a forestry.

    The same writers will then next week tell you all about their trips to New York for such an event, their foreign holidays, a festival they've been to, what foods to eat (usually the imported cash crop or fad healthy fruit/veg of the month varieties) and how need more housing than ever while not ruining "the character" of the the inner cities with high rise apartments despite in my cases the dilapidated nature of said area.

    In other words, stuff you should do that won't apply to me.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,669 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    can you give any examples of someone writing such an article and then the following week telling us about their trip to NY, etc.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,813 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...id love to know why the op is continually reading such, if it leads to such disgust, thats a bit weird!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Are not most of the farmers' and foresters' wives/ partners " middle class mummies and latte drinkers" ?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    OP here interesting replies.

    I guess I'm tired of being lectured at by urban folk who have not background in farming or forestry.

    Yes there remains much to be improved on in both fields. FOr the person who advises me to write a letter...I have done so, had them published, but since the current editor took over none have been published-that's pushing on 10 months. Reporters like O'Toole, O'Sullivan, Mullally or Boland have no interest in talking to people with an alternate viewpoint or experience. Clearly an agenda there.

    Again, thanks for the replies.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,669 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    They are absolutely, undeniably, 100% correct that biodiversity in Ireland needs to be improved drastically.

    It's interesting that you are criticising them for not being farmers or foresters; rather than criticising them for not being zoologists or botanists. Which is revealing, as I would certainly not look to farmers or foresters as the first port of call for expertise on biodiversity.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Traditionally farmers have treated nature as the enemy to be subued. They cannot be considered custodians of biodiversity if this attitude prevails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Much diversity in monoculture.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,669 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that photo is probably not taken in ireland, so not exactly fair to post it if so.

    here's the issue - ireland is the bottom of the table in europe for biodiversity. because pretty much every available bit of land that could be farmed or forested has been claimed for that. if we want to improve biodiversity, we need to dedicate some of that land to biodiversity; but that is seen as an attack on farmers as the suggestion (naturally) is that maybe we shouldn't farm every last piece of available land.

    say we decided to dedicate 10% of the land surface to biodiversity; which is not a particularly excessive goal. that would involve a change in land use which would be anathema to the likes of the IFA probably but that's the way the wind is blowing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,130 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Looks like the type of field the millions of tonnes of animal feed ireland imports every year might be grown in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,130 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah I'm just making the point that People give out about veg farming being monocultures and unhealthy ecosystems compared to animal farming when animal farming is reliant on monocultures too growing grain etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,130 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This is the type of eco disaster one would normally associate with Florida and Big Sugar.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Biodiversity was never considered when the land registry allocated farms at the foundation of the state. Every acre was a political bargaining chip for the new state.

    Land Abandonment is happening on a wide scale in much of the west which is not the same as managed wild space. Abandonment can often be determental to biodiversity in extensive farming systems such as you find in the west. It would be better to have a planned buy out and land strategy.



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