Nurse Lucy Letby found guilty of murdering seven babies

...what if her appeals process eventually succeeds?

Yes. Myra has tried to get it commuted a few times but no joy.

Imagine being the " new Myra Hindley"?

Same deadpan look..no remorse or empathy.

There are currently 67 people under a whole-life tariff in prison and a further 4 in secure hospitals, according to the Ministry of Justice in the UK.

So she’s legitimately viewed as one of the most dangerous individuals in the whole of the UK…

I don’t believe she is the product of society…

she had a nice place to live, a good job with responsibilities yes…

earning the equivalent of about 40,000-42,000 euros considering her experience.

Chester is a very nice, picturesque and sedate city / town by the river with loads of amenities…. Been there a couple of times….

so to say she is a product of society ? Nahhhhh…

Segregated from them.

Surely nobody is trying to claim that her actions are a product/result of society?

I see your deflection...

That is not what I have been saying but that is not the issue.

You mentioned what a waste it was that she would never use her considerable training again?

There is no way somebody like her would /should be allowed near any person in any capacity, never mind as a nurse or carer.

That I believe will be her best punishment, to be slopping out and treated like every other prisoner with no regard for her obvious intelligence or qualifications.

The fact that you think she is some sort of anomaly is irrelevant.

She is a killer of the most vulnerable.. There is no way back for her.

poor Myra was led astray!!!!

So you actually think a cnm1 watching Ms Letby more closely could have averted her killing spree?

To take this to its logical conclusion, should every qualified person looking after vulnerable people be supervised as they go about their jobs, despite their obvious training qualifications and rigorous reference and vetting checks??

That is not only unworkable it is bizarre to think that would be appropriate given the rarity of somebody like Lucy Letby in the workforce!

I hold the management responsible for not taking the consultants initial concerns about infant deaths to the police and not investigating them more forensically.

I also think cctv should have been put in place when there were any questions raised about anubody harming never mind killing a child.

But supervision in this circumstance is not the right approach. One approach maybe. But would be anathema to all the very good professional people there working away relying on their own ethics and conscience doing their jobs brilliantly every day.

Supervision is a tool used when someone's performance has been called into question. Or when being trained in an area.

I don't know if she was supervised after the initial allegations and deaths, that was when she should have been watched closely and she could have had no ojection unless she was to raise suspicion.

I would say given her complaint about bullying and the subsequent apology the consultants were forced to sign would imply that maybe she won in this regard and she was not placed on supervision.

She was removed from the are and placed on a desk job at a later stage.

She was clever and cunning and found different ways to kill without hardly leaving a trace. Would have been hard to pick up without watching her all the time.

Two baby killer nurses now.. In the UK.. Not to mention elderly abuse in nursing homes.

Time for CCTV to be installed in areas of special vulnerability.

Fook me!!!

blaming the gubberment and the “elites.”

Many did not like the security armbands on neonates either but it is the lesser of 2 evils .

Parents are watched by staff anyway in neonatal units , so many tubeseqjipment that can be dislodged .

Why not CCTV?

If people like her are targeting areas where vulnerable babies ( or adults) are , it may be something that might deter this predatory behaviour.

Motive, means and opertunity. Society can't do much about motive but a lot can be done about means and opertunity.

I would not be a fan of people using phones at work but it might be allowed in some units at the special care end rather than ICU , on night duty for example where babies are sleeping and just being fed and monitored by a nurse .

It would not be common in my experience but that is not to say that it is banned either .

I don't know the details of her texts , numbers etc . When was that? Before deaths, after ?

The point I was making was that supervision could only have kicked in after the death of at least 3 babies as they were completely unaware of the depths that that person could go to , even at that stage , and that continued after the consultants complained .

Following that she may have been watched more closely , I don't know but it certainly would have been reasonable if a complaint had been registered and she had been given a warning .

But still babies continued to die.

Supervision of an experienced qualified professional without a reason is not usual although most new staff are ' inducted ' and observed for a few weeks or months until they settle in and professional competencies are signed off ... To support them in their work , as well as see what they are like .

We don't really know about the individual unit policies but it would have had to meet standard operational guidelines for a neonatal special care unit within NHS , or this would have been flagged I would have thought during the trial.

I would say it will come out in the wash .

They were negligent in how they dealt with her case .

However nothing could be worse than allowing a murderer loose in a special care unit , and 7+ babies dead!

There is no coming back from that .

God love them .😪

I think if parents are made aware and that it is just a record which is part of care for their baby it is not intrusive and maybe the deterrent that is needed in the very rare cases like these.

They are used in some big A+E departments and in some major ICUs,as a security measure already

There is usually a parent's room, or family room on neonatal units which would be private .And in the case you mention there is also a room where the parents can hold their baby , take photographs and just be with their little one after the medical stuff has been removed . This would all be completely outside of any CCTV remit .

I am sorry that you went through that , very scary for other parents to see . Hope your boy is ok ?

Yeah the bracelets are great !