Nurse Lucy Letby found guilty of murdering seven babies

When the time comes to have homecare in my parents house there will be hidden cameras monitoring their carers

...and the odd bit of suicidal ideation, shur id say it ll be a walk in the park for her!

...wouldnt surprise me in the least, if personal phones are being used a lot , particularly in our own health system, the failures of our internal it systems is well documented

Fair enough, not an expert.

I'd have thought because you are only caring for 1 patient that ICU would be relatively serene especially when that patient is asleep. Generally just a regular check that everything is stable, fill in the forms, checklists etc. With the proviso that at any minute something could go critically wrong and you have to leap into life-saving emergency mode.

Whereas a normal ward would be busier because you are looking after multiple patients and one of them would always be awake and needing something. But conversely less likely for an emergency to occur.

But as I said, not an expert. Would be happy to be enlightened.

It's the Chain of Command theory I think. Which generally works. Until it doesn't.

But you don't want someone skipping steps - whether it's a police constable going straight to his Superintendent because he doesn't think his direct sergeant is investigating something properly, or a doctor bypassing hospital management to go to the police. If you do it, and are wrong, your career is stone cold dead. Even if you are right, the most you'll get is grudging praise. In real-life, no-one like a Quincy (may be too young to get the reference, google Quincy M.E.)

That's fair enough. There have been miscarriages of justice and there's always a non-zero chance that this could be one.

But that wasn't your original point. You originally declared someone else (a doctor) guilty and said 'Release Lucy'. That's the complete nonsense people were pulling you up on. And I'm far from the 'groupthink brigade', if anything I'm mildly uneasy at a few things in the case myself.

You say that as if Ian Bailey was found not guilty, which he wasn`t, or even if he`d won a civil case, which he didn`t. Come to think of it, there`s a bunch of posters on the Bailey threads who think that circumstantial evidence amounts to no evidence. I`m surprised some of them haven`t turned up here jumping up and down and crying about a miscarriage of justice.

It tends to narrow things down fairly quickly when you start throwing out the conspiracy theories. The only good conspiracy is a conspiracy of one. Add in the passing of time, the requirement for multiple conspirators within the gardaí and the general public, the fact that the Bandon tapes show no evidence of any conspiracy even though gardaí were unaware that they were being recorded and it is abundantly clear there was no conspiracy in the Du Plantier case. Nor was there one in the Letby case. Just another nutjob doing what some nutjobs do.

Reasonable doubt?

Yesterday you said guilty beyond reasonable doubt you believed, and now you’re peddling a doubt? 1 percent? How would anyone get convicted with this silliness?

...not at all, i do think the sentencing was fair, that part of the judicial process has worked very well, she definitely needs to do considerable time, but the system needs to find out wtf happened, and why, or this may happen again....

... the whole works, health care, now judicial system, and other critical social systems, including educational and training systems, etc, there was clearly widescale systemic failures here, very possible she was showing signs of dysfunction growing up, while moving through all of these systems...

Why do you think it is 1 to 1 or 1 to 2 patients only??

ICU means intensive care unit.

And that is what is going on in intensive care, not just monitoring... care of patient on multiple life saving modes, ventilation, intravenous and central lines, arterial lines, bloods and arterial blood gases, infusions supporting blood pressure and other vital organs, dialysis, dressings, hygiene and with tiny babies some tubefeeding with tiny amounts of expressed mother's breast milk or speciial formula.

Its very involved, very demanding and more than just monitoring. Day or night.

Throw in one patient not doing well and its busier than 12 hours running a marathon! And a lot more stressful for all concerned.

Would be no time for texting or social media.

The other area, step down care or special care baby unit is 2 to 3 hourly feeds and monitoring and more normal baby care, less intensive, and this is what she was doing as far as I can see.

So there yes I can see some use of mobile phone may be permitted.

Ahh I didn't take it up like that.

He was replying to me, a nurse, and I had asked him about his child as he had mentioned his experience.

I am sure it was not meant literally.