Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

The link states the numbers are higher than expected so even with reduced numbers in past few months accommodation is still a problem for both asylum seekers and Ukranians .

So.

“ At worst, some of the people doing this are 'economic migrants', not criminals.”

”At worst”?

Was there not an Algerian AS arrested literally yesterday for trying stab someone to death on Grafton street? I would say that’s worse than being an economic migrant

Not at all the first violent crime we’ve seen from our new guests. Far from it in fact.

Ah so if you claim mental health issues you immediately are not a criminal? That's a brilliant path to follow.

I’m not linking them with criminality, just pointing out that some of them most certainly are worse than economic migrants and it doesn’t help that we often haven’t the slightest clue of who they if they destroyed their passport en route

For sure, but most seem to be ripping up fake ID rather than their actual genuine passport.

If you're ripping up your actual passport, you've definitely got something to hide (but such people will probably be found out by the immigration system anyway).

Would having our welfare rates in line with other EU countries help at all?

Have you some links that show that most are ripping up fake ID's? Also, you seem to be saying that they keep their genuine passport...are they not searched and if not, should they be?

Can you link the data/reports from the immigration system showing these people being found out?

Cheers Straz

Just to add, your other posts today seem to suggest that there's no way of finding out if someone has a mental health issue and sure all we can do is wait for somebody to be stabbed/attacked and then we'll know who has MH issues and who doesn't - Not a great is situation is it? (especially for the victims)

Edit, as the above was a draft

You posted that ^ in a reply to a poster that said "They could change it so that new refugee arrivals from Ukraine no longer get full dole entitlement"

If that's the level you're at...well, I just don't think there's any point - All we seem to get by way of an argument/debate is stuff like 'I believe xxx happens', 'Stats suggest xxx,' 'I read that xxx is the case'... On and on and on - No links, no proof, nothing - It's posting in bad faith (to put it mildly)

Many asylum seekers are destroying real documents issued by European countries where they have already been granted asylum and have been living for years - Sweden, UK, France, for example. They want to claim asylum in Ireland because they think they will get a better deal here, so they rip their documents up and then lie about who they are and where they have come from.

They also often rip up their real documents from their countries of origin because they don't want anyone to know their country of origin, as often this will be a safe country.

They do everything possible to make it impossible to know which flights they have taken to Ireland (including physically hiding before passing through the border). This way it becomes very difficult to send them back to wherever they have come from.

The ones with fake IDs will often try to enter the country with these fake IDs rather than coming clean at point of immigration and stating that they have travelled on fake documents in order to escape their home countries. Why do this? They would still be allowed apply for asylum if they just admitted they had travelled on fake IDs. But they try to pass through immigration because they are looking to set up shop here under their fake identities. The reality is that most asylum seekers are chancers that should not be here.

As regards Ukranians, we are seeing them arrive from the likes of Canada, where they go to get one-off lump sums on offer there. Then they come here for the regular payments. Some have social welfare payments set up in various countries. Many go home to Ukraine for months and then return here. I came across a group of around 20 Ukranian tourists who came to tour Ireland last week on a trip around the west coast and were due to head back home after - weird from a country that is at war. This is such a corrupt country that prior to the war they needed a visa simply to transit through Ireland, never mind actually enter the country.

We are having the absolute piss taken out of us.

You can't just show up in Ireland, claim to be from a certain country you have never set foot in and then be granted asylum. You have to go through a rigorous investigation and there will be a considerable data trail of where you were before you set in Ireland.

Also, there will be many other clues. For example, a person from Syria will be speaking fluent Arabic. A person from Afghanistan will be speaking fluent Dari or Pashto etc (and if they can't speak it to the translators, immigration will immediately be extremely suspicious about their identity).

Photographs and fingerprints are taken from asylum seekers and checked against a European database. They can be sent back to the country they originally applied for asylum in.

Also, there are flight records for every single flight taken in Europe and these are kept on databases for years. Any person who arrives in Ireland will have to explain how they got on a plane to Ireland (and across Europe before this).....what flights they took and on which dates, which airports they went through etc. If there is no sign of them on the system, then they are clearly lying.

What I was referring to was EU funding from the Cohesion fund and REACT and others . That is actually 3.5 billion and only one part of the funding . More on the way from the EU and help with money for housing , building etc .

But and it has been said before the numbers are a third of the original amount, and declining , and even if they aren't we will take them , because they are fighting our frontier against a brutal dictator .

Also these people do not come under discussion here as per the thread title and warnings in the OP .