RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

I am into what is now considered vintage tech. There are some brilliant contributors on YT, others a bit more slapdash but full of heart and enthusiasm. All good, all welcomed.

Some of their production values (for vids with less than 10k views in many cases) are a credit to them, and what we would term broadcast quality.

Every one of these content creators shows more independent thinking and ingenuity than what RTE puts out.

Would be something like Killarney Glamping - hotel prices - and telling you this is a great way to go camping (meanwhile they then get put up in 5* hotels when the camera isn't rolling)

My two daughters (one hitting 20, one late teens) have never even sat through a Toy Show (without the toys). That's at least two (former) children of Ireland Ichabod can't be referring to with his puff-chested nonsense.

Younger is a burgeoning artist who learned a pile through YT, and has ended up bloody good, eldest is like me, she grazes, but again, eschews TV-she prefers watching when she likes, as do I.

There is still a place for the legacy broadcast institutions to go, aside from their mainstays of news and sport (real time events) for now. Some are exploring that.

Dishes and aerials will soon become irrelevant. This is what's most depressing about the lamentable mess that is the RTE Player, when compared with other offerings.

This is where they need to go. Live streaming of contemporary stuff, and on demand viewing of quality shows that people will seek out-not endless repeats.

On Youtube they've a trailer on for a new series of the new Season.

Series is called ''Hidden Assets''

The thing is, if you were starting from scratch and wanted to provide public service content to the Irish public, you would never rationally suggest setting up anything remotely like RTE. You might have an organization overseeing production but you would not build out a network of transmitters and masts around the country.

In fact, getting back what others have said about youtube, the public would probably be better served if high quality programmes were produced and then simply put directly on Youtube. The infrastructure is already there. If it is public service content, then a commercial return should not be the goal. The content can be limited to Irish IPs if that is a concern and then sold internationally.

I'm not suggesting this should be what happens; the point, rather, is that were we to do that, it would be more rational that setting up the likes of RTE. In reality, all platforms not just Youtube, should be utilized.

That is not the point.

RTE got stale of didn’t know how to keep up. It was mentioned here that they never were a public service broadcaster. I’d disagree. They used to be a public service broadcaster but forgot that as B king while ago.

Growing up in the 80s I do remember a god nice between commercial and public service. There were shows like radhsrc that were documentary series, Mary & Market which relayed cattle prices before marts went online. Landmark, a farming issues series. There were great shows like Hands showing and preserving a record of dying skills. Dick Warner’s waterways shows etc.

Somewhere along the way, maybe towards the late 90s this changed and shows sponsored by companies came along. More reality as hits slime house buying/renovation Dermot Bannon type shows, then on into Dancing With The Staff and every other show being sponsored and a vehicle for product placement. Probably somewhere along the time Noel Kelly started doing the rounds. I don’t know.

Back in the day before local independent radio RTE had a mobile unit evening the country presenting local content from an area for a week or so at a time. I remember the excitement when they showed up in my area in the mid 80s. You got shows that showed you in detail how to cook or build things. A lot of the stuff YouTube is filling in now. Channels like BBC 4 still cover some of this niche content and I will say that Rte can still do sage decent concert shows but they’re kind of sexy and they turn a blind eye to the other kinds of skills. I’d rather a show working with a bunch over 12 weeks getting people ready to run a 5K with emphasis on getting the basics right and building up than the rubbish they is Operation Transformation. Teach people real life skills. Just an example.

BBC- the big budget corporation given millions to serve an audience of 70+ million and of course they will have more people interested in the niches than in Ireland audience of less than 5 million. Rte is never going to be able to serve the niche cohort and make money. I think some of the documentaries they have especially the costal ones recently are beautiful, but the quality of fair city for example is really not good enough, and as it is on so often that mediocrity at best becomes the overriding feeling that rte gives off in their evening programming.

The most depressing thing is with a, bit of imagination, they could be something more. In their D4 echo chamber they have absolutely no idea how to serve a Public Broadcasting remit so they dumb everything down to the lowest common denominator, hence all the reality crap. Case in point, for instance, GAA coverage, they could cheaply produce a 1 hour midweek talk show previewing the games over summer but dont bother and cede that space to podcasts, they're all over the Rugby though(which I enjoy aswell to be fair).

Anyone remember The Emperor's New Clothes?

Pluralistic ignorance is an interesting and well studied phychological phenomenon. It holds that most people will persist with a mistaken view, in the mistaken belief that most people in the group support this view. Warped fairytales for the masses. Corrupt narratives that corrode.

However, there's a reason why fairytales are tales as old as time, songs as old as rhyme. Essential tools for child-rearing, they have helped parents teach morality to generations of children the world over. Early on in life. Subconscious lessons absorbed at time in life when it really matters.

But The Emporor's New Clothes always sorta confused me as a child. It really was next-level teaching. It taught many of us a lesson, a slow-burn that wouldn't truly be understood until we were adults.

Only now are people starting to realise that we were being fooled all along by RTE. Ditto by Tubridy. It took a child to scream from the packed crowd, to scream at the emperor that he had no clothes.

There's a lot of screaming now. RTE have been caught doing the dishevelled hungover 'walk of shame'. And what's worse, they're naked to boot. The good time has been had. However, the imaginary clothes of competence have finally been stripped away. Forgotten on the floor of a sordid D4 hotel bedroom.

We're all pointing now, having a laugh at these deluded emperors. This would all be so much funnier if it wasn't so serious. It's time to stop paying the emperor's hotel bills. The free-bar has created a monster.

Definitely. RTE need to widen they’d view again. They still have moments. I watched a thing cashed The Summer Show 2 weeks ago with Joanne whatshername, the weather presenter, walking a canal route in Kilkenny filling in with lots of info and history. It was lovely to king at and very interesting but just an insert and way too short. I know they’ve done tracks and trails shows before but they could do more. Just even things like slow tv, sailing around the coast of west cork for an hour. UK statins have done that with rail routes. It’s different and can be relaxing.

I also think they should be split in tel geographically speaking. I find a lot of the orit bite to be very east coast centric. Days before that I find a lot of TG4s outit to be much nite relevant to Pele living in the west coast alright I’m just scruff the bay from TG4 so might be a radical impression. I know they have Cork and Limerick studios but the output from there is low with the Today show being maybe the most relevant. I feel they need to diversify their output. The arrival of TG4 absolved them of much of the river PSB mandate like catering to the Gaeltacht and content nite likeable to those in rural Ireland. They used to do sound of the traditional music shows TG4 now do very well but seem to have just stopped. It’s probably easier do reality shows or Dermot Bannon types of stuff.

As suggestive living in the west of Ireland in a rural setting I don’t find much of real relevance in RTEs schedules these days. I do realise that a large swathe of the population is centred in the east coast and the eastern third of the country in general but we’re all obligated to pay a licence regardless of location. It’s just that they seem to have forgotten what made them great I’ve, probably east to do in tire in a d4 bubble and only head west on your weekends away.

Auld thread is gettin' a bit etherial if I may be so bold to observe, starting' to list toward the Kildare side like.

Can't see them doing that and you know why?

excellent list.... Sean Whelan.... where is he, I know is supposed to be in Washington but America is on fire and lads are getting arrested and as far as I can see not a peep out of Seanie?

Now you forgot one lad in your list Colm O Mongáin... was deputy Foreign Editor there for a few years and suddenly sprung back into the limelight via the Late Debate, Saturday politics stuff, filling in for the Dufficer etc.

Now the question is who was the Foreign Editor and who replaced Colm.

Sorry dragged the thread off a bit will not pursue this line.