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How old are current affairs/imho users

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Just turned forty six



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,506 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,775 ✭✭✭buried


    Free Fiddy and add another horty foo munts

    "You have disgraced yourselves again" - W. B. Yeats



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    There are not a lot of climate denial or right wing views on boards.

    The fact is younger people will change their views once they grow up and get impacted by real life.

    It is easy when you are young and not worried about buying a house, heating a house, feeding your family and finding a school etc.

    When you actually are impacted by these things as you get older, you start to realise what you called right wing views are normal people who in no way surprisingly want to be able to support their family.

    You will see in the green thread a handful of fanatics and a majority of people who call out the crap.

    They are not climate deniars, they are people with life experience who call out nonsense ideas and who are impacted by paying for nonsense ideas.

    You will see a handful of people on multiple threads accusing people of racism, being a nazi etc because people call out nonsense policies that impact them and their family.

    These people mostly grow up and realise its not right wing to have views that benefit you and your family.

    It is easy when you are young and have very view worries to call everything you disagree with right wing, but most have to grow up eventually and realise they had no idea what they were on about.

    So to correct you, it is not that older people have right wing views, they have life experience and have views that make things the best for themselves and their family.

    The majority of people who call these people right wing will join that group once they go through life and grow up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,506 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    From these readings it would appear that there is a correlation between age and climate outlook as a general trend amongst older generations.


    Again these are broad trends and I'm not for a meeting saying their aren't very many older people committed to climate action. Also because climate change is a relatively new concern it's not possible to say that these trends are long term.

    What confuses me though is why you both seem to think voting right wing is somehow disconnected from climate change, or that maybe this is US specific?

    Have you seen our right wing governments record on the environment? The Tories? Bolsonaro?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think that's an accurate summation; that with age comes added responsibility and with that, a different perspective on policies that didn't impact you when you were a carefree 18 year old.

    The corollary of that is that people who remain far-left into their thirties or forties probably never really grew out of it in the same way everyone else did. It's a form of immature politically stunted growth.

    I was a left-fanatic when I was 18 - 24 or so, and very gradually appreciated the validity of some positions on the right which were previously completely alien to me.

    The worst form of growth is that which says, "I'm always right and I'll never change my views, ever"; a childish intransigence that only characterises the very extremes in society, both left and right.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,483 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    I'm in my 60s I have middling leftish views always have. The provision of good public services would be my main interest the French have a good model for this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,506 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I suppose the alternative view is that maybe some people get more cynical and self-interested as they age.

    If you're saying that age brings wisdom, how do you account for the smaller number who become more left leaning as they grow older, are they somehow becoming more naive and innocent?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,712 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I could do a search on Google too and draw correlations between climate change activists and people who superglue themselves to immovable objects. I’m not doing that though because it would be silly. You’re doing similar in making a connection where it doesn’t exist, and then you’re curious as to why anyone would argue they aren’t connected.

    I’ve seen various Governments records on environmental issues, and like I suggested previously the environment was just never a popular issue to begin with. I don’t agree that climate change is a relatively new concern either, it was well-known of decades ago, and I gave examples of how that information was relayed to the public - long before it was ever thought to have Greta Thunberg doing PR stunts, people were educating children about their world, the environment around them and the importance of a sustainable future for a better world.

    That education captured the imagination of some people, didn’t resonate with others who just didn’t find it relatable, and that’s why we’re now in a situation of creating moral panic around the idea of climate change rather than educating people about their environment and their impact on the environment - it’s now linked to a moral failing of some kind, and sure if you’re looking to draw a correlation between politics you disagree with, and climate change denial, you’ll inevitably begin seeing correlations between the two and coming up with theories which suit your narrative.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I clearly stated the reason is self interest.

    It's easy to shout climate deniar while your in your parents house not worried about bills.

    It's competently different when you have to pay the bills and actually have skin in the game.

    The majority of people I know who are left leaning in my age group live at home and still didn't enter real life.

    There are also some very nice people I know who are soft touches but mean very well.

    I suppose some older people have houses paid for and the family is grown up and they feel like helping people out.

    So they are at a point in life that young people are where they are not worried about buying a house and affording a family.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,506 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    The record of right wing parties on climate change speaks for itself.

    Sounds to me like you just really want to ease your green conscious while voting FFG.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There seems to be some evidence that suggests older conservatives and reactionaries are less well educated (or less intelligent in general) than even their own peers. So, it's not so much their age is the key factor in them becoming right wing and conservative, more their lack of critical thinking and ability to weigh things up from all angles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,712 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Well it does, and if they were a single issue party I’d say your conclusions about the lack of concern for environmental issues and political concerns of the electorate demographics were entirely justified. They’re not a single issue party though, nor are voters, and for what it’s worth I don’t think the idea of people’s political views changing with age has any merit either.

    I don’t have a green conscience, though I understand from your point of view why you imagine that everyone would have one. I don’t care so much about environmental issues that I would vote for Green Party candidates, but that doesn’t mean I don’t care about environmental issues. They just were never at the top of my priorities list in terms of leaving the world in a better way than I came into it in terms of my children’s future or that of my grandchildren is all.

    That sort of manipulative guilt tripping can lead to terrible social policy decisions lending legitimacy to, and promoting antinatalist views. I’d rather not support that sort of idiocy tbh. It’s not a new idea either to try and make correlations between the two in order to imply causation and how to resolve the implied conflict.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    People have their views shaped by their personal interests.

    That's the number one factor.

    You could have three types of older left person:

    1. The old traditional working class left.

    2. The modern left, characterised by the largely well to do.

    3. Those that have fallen on financial hard times in their older age and the need to rely more on the state.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,659 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    The old aphorism goes...

    If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head.

    If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




  • Registered Users Posts: 23,712 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I wonder who came up with evidence about older conservatives based on a correlation between intelligence and education? 🤔

    I don’t really, it’s quite obvious where the evidence is coming from. Meanwhile, more fun observations based on correlation:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2023/apr/08/going-to-private-school-makes-you-twice-as-likely-to-vote-tory-study-finds



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭victor8600


    I see that the OP is either too young or suffering from old age memory issues. I remember times when it was impolite to add a poll without the obligatory "This poll sucks" option.

    In any case, why do I think that this poll is meaningless? Because it has nothing to do with CA/IMHO. The users on Boards in general are mostly tech-savvy types of mature ages that started using forums in the 90s / 2000s. Them under 30 youngsters use TikTok now, or Reddit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's not that difficult to analyse and to come up with some conclusions. Pollsters have been able to dig deep into the support for the likes of UKIP, the Front Nationale, AfD, Law and Justice in Poland, Orban's party in Hungary etc and can see clear trends of support from older and less well educated people.

    But even larger numbers of older people are voting for mainstream and centrist parties, so it's clearly not their age specifically that is making some older people become conservative or reactionary. It might be more a rejection of modernity and a wish to return to 'the old ways of doing things' in some of this support - this might explain why younger less well educated people are not drawn to the politics of the right and far right.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I doubt very much that it is a smaller number, I find the majority of people become more easy going as they age.

    Life has shown them a lot, young people view things very black or white, older people with life experience realise there are more grey areas then black or white.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,097 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Bell curve skewed a bit towards younger age cohort.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,712 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    I’d agree with that much at least, but the point I was alluding to was the source of much of these studies - liberal academics in the social sciences. That’s who would draw conclusions about the relationship between a group’s political beliefs, their education levels, and their levels of intelligence.

    That’s not to say that ‘conservatives’, or more accurately - reactionaries and shìt-stirrers, those who seek to deprive other groups in society of the same access to resources as they have which enabled them to be in the position they’re in, don’t employ the same tactics in suggesting evidence of a relationship between their opponents political views and their levels of intelligence. They do of course, but I wouldn’t classify those people as Conservative - that would imply they actually had principles, and I don’t believe they do. It’s how they are able to suggest that the people who they imagine are beneath them, that it is only right and proper to deprive them of access to resources which enable social mobility by maintaining the idea that one can pull oneself up by their own bootstraps by hard work alone.

    It’s clearly not true, but it’s important that the belief is maintained, so they can implement policies which lead to outcomes like this:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-bus-pass-pensioners-warm-b2070395.html

    It would take an equally special sort as Boris to point out that her individual carbon footprint is contributing to climate change 🤨



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Summary based on the posts in this thread: young people are naive and stupid. Older people are old and stupid, unless they agree with me, which would be a sign of intelligence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,685 ✭✭✭flutered


    75 year old anaroc here



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Surprisingly so. I thought the 20somethings and 30somethings were all too busy TikToking and Snapchatting to bother with this ancient text based oul sh1te. My mistake.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,659 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Maybe the oldies are deliberately skewing the numbers by either not entering the poll or even putting in a younger age...just to play with the OP's head.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,945 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    I drank some of the old "Wexford wine" last night and I'm dying as a result of it today.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭lmao10


    I'm in my early 20s. Nobody in my age range that I know would ever post here or entertain any of the climate denial/incel right wing stuff.



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