Moon landing hoax

You've been provided countless examples of photos and videos from space.

Your original claim on this forum was that there was no images of Earth from space.

You were provided this and then promptly abandoned that thread after being caught out trying to fake an image in a bizarre attempt to trick people.

I agree with most of this:

Direct footage and streams? "Fake and CGI" True

Thousands of photos of astronauts, spacecraft, landers, etc? "All fake and CGI" I would use the word fabricated

Testimony from astronauts who've been in space? "All fake" True

India just landed on the moon "Lol as if" Lol as if indeed

Massive international space programs running for decades? "All fake and part of a vast conspiracy" True except for the "massive" and "vast" part. It's a very well organised, very well funded, relatively small team of crooked former CIA and masonic members who are under extreme duress but are paid very very well. The only thing that is massive and vast is the exposure and publicity they enjoy along with the gullibility of their fans of course

Direct footage and feeds from the ISS? "Fake/underwater/studio" True

You can see the ISS passing overhead, here is the exact time it will pass "Lol whatever" I abundantly explained this. That is not a magical floating laboratory you can see no more than a child believes they see santa's sleigh

@Dohnjoe I am impressed, I feel we are making inroads at last.

Of course you agree, it's how your mind works.

The ISS is visible from earth, people can see it passing overhead.

You can see it for yourself wherever you live. For example, over the next few days in Dublin

DateVisibleMax Height*AppearsDisappearsShare EventFri Aug 25, 5:22 AM5 min17°10° above S10° above ESE

Sat Aug 26, 4:36 AM3 min12°11° above SSE10° above ESE

Sun Aug 27, 5:22 AM5 min30°13° above SSW10° above E

Mon Aug 28, 4:36 AM4 min23°20° above S10° above E

Tue Aug 29, 3:50 AM1 min16°16° above SE10° above ESE

Tue Aug 29, 5:23 AM6 min47°15° above SW10° above E

Wed Aug 30, 4:37 AM4 min38°34° above S10° above E

Thu Aug 31, 3:50 AM2 min24°24° above ESE10° above E

Thu Aug 31, 5:23 AM6 min62°16° above WSW10° above E

You can deny it, dismiss it, scoff at it, pretend it's something else (which you 100% will do) - but anyone else can see it. Which will confirm to them everything they need to know about your belief system. It's an excellent example of how unreasonable beliefs work.

It's not unusual that he refuses to address this. According to Markus, all space flight is faked and impossible, so it's not possible for something to be in the sky at these predictable times. There's nothing it could be unless he starts invoking magic holograms or demonic trickery. This will undermine his attempts at pretending to be reasonable, and knows that.

Or it's possible that like most theorists, it's just something he never thought about too deeply and is unable to come up with an explanation without it being fed to him by conspiracy theory media. So to maintain the illusion of secret knowledge and to avoid having to admit a hole in his beliefs, he will just avoid.

It's all complete dishonesty even if it's an earnestly held belief.

Has Markus ever tried to submit compelling evidence to support any of his outlandish theories or does he just sit on a throne in this thread, waving his hand and saying 'fake - NEXT!' whenever presented with evidence that the moon landings happened?

I think it comes from their belief that every official position (ie. one they don't understand) is a lie. So their own lies and deceptions are just as valid as everyone else's. But because they are special and infallible, and their beliefs feel good to them (or in Jones' case, are profitable) they must be true.

All of these beliefs are just plucked from the air on the fly because they feel good or they sound good to the mark they're being flogged at. If there's something they can't be explained by the conspiracy theory, then it's acceptable for them to lie and dodge and do anything except face the issue, because they tell themselves others do that too.

In this example, Markus is unable to explain the ISS.

His first instinct would be to claim that you can't see it, but he knows this is false and easily debunkable (and of course, he won't actually bother to check himself.) So he has to accept there's something there.

If he accepts that, he has to explain what it is. It can't be a satellite because. It can't be something natural. It can't be a plane because it's traveling too high and fast, and a small team of rogue CIA masons aren't able to also run a secret aviation program on top of all the other stuff. It can't be holograms. It can't be one of Satan's demons.

If Markus was actually honest, he'd simply admit that he doesn't have an answer and can't explain it and that it's an issue for his theory.

If he was actually interested in discussion, he'd be eager to say that and discuss possibilities, including the possibility that his theory is false.

Nope. Just declared things fake without any evidence or reasoning.

When presented with evidence for space flight or anything he asks for, he pretends not to see it and fobs it off.

It's all just been "you can't explain this" "Yes we can. here's a detailed breakdown of exactly what you want." "lol, how naive. You can't explain this!"

Remember also that this has to extend to all engineers and other experts who should be able to figure it out. Same for any media organisation or journalist.

The claim is that NASA is also so incompetent they're dropping obvious hints and making mistakes than anyone, regardless of how little they know or understand, is able to figure it out.

They are either in on it, or the small group of CIA agents are also able to monitor these people perfectly and enforce silence on top of all of they other things they've got going. Very overworked these guys...

And also the team behind the various websites and apps down the years that predict when and where you can see the non existent ISS. These people MUST be involved as they have to be faking all of the data and know that there's nothing up there to track.

Unless the small team of CIA masons who've been running this shown for 70+ years also happen to be experts in fake astronomy and website/app design and are also doing that themselves as well.

This is why conspiracy theorists can't answer any questions. They know full well how silly their answers have to be.

Yes, in that thread it was explained to you why your conspiracy theory is an example of why that argument applies.

You keep falling back to your unsupported claim that it was a small team of CIA people. It's very repetitive, yet you persist.

You are also making a claim that Nasa scientists were murdered and you're declaring that you aren't backing this up. This can be dismissed so.

It also doesn't make any sense. If their fraud was so perfect and complete, its contradictory for them to need to kill anyone. Likewise it's contradictory to claim that these deaths are obvious murders if they are supposed to be covering things up. It's also contradictory to your previous claims that all the Challenger astronauts are still alive because Nasa wasn't willing to kill them for some reason.

But the most silly thing is your insistence that the conspiracy is being done by one person on a computer.

This doesn't make your position more reasonable than suggesting that it's a global conspiracy of thousands. It makes it less reasonable.

And it's impossible for one person to run this conspiracy.

Point of order:

Actual freemasons are forbidden, on pain on censure, to discuss relgion or politics either at their meetings, or at the festive boards thereafter.

Just saying.

You aren't "providing information"

You are just dismissing the entirety of human space travel because you can write the words "lol its fake" on an internet forum. It's not much more complicated than that.

I wonder what this means? Seems heavy handed for an organisation as transparent and innocent as this 😋

Not deflecting anything. Never claimed they discussed politics either, I asked another poster if that's what he thought they discussed.

Are you a member of a lodge? I am interested in joining.

I very much do care if the moon landings were faked. If what you say is in fact true, it's potentially the biggest lie and con ever pulled in history.

Who said I was repulsed by conspiracy theories? I find them fascinating, hence posting in here.

I'm just an evidence seeker though. Which you clearly are not. That's fine too, but it just makes it hard to take your posts seriously.