Double yellow lines for taxi pick-up

Seth Brundle · 26-08-2023 11:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121031997#Comment_121031997

So despite the garda telling the OP to move on which the OP then ignored and encouraged passengers to get into his car, the garda is a jobsworth? And you know this, despite the OP being short on important details such as why the double yellows were there, etc (which usually indicates that there is a lot more to this than we've been told!)?

tesla_newbie · 26-08-2023 11:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032020#Comment_121032020

It’s about prioritising minor technical details over actual crime , low hanging fruit

Seth Brundle · 26-08-2023 11:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032033#Comment_121032033

The guy could have been blocking a busy bus lane for all we know but you seem to know that the garda was being a dick rather than the OP who was the one that ignored the garda's initial instruction!

Peregrinus · 27-08-2023 8:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121031997#Comment_121031997

Do you normally make up your mind about allegations of offences based purely on what the accused person chooses to tell you?

tesla_newbie · 27-08-2023 10:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032063#Comment_121032063

you also have no idea if “ he was blocking a bus lane “ so two can play at that game

Taxi drivers don’t have a set route like bus drivers , their job involves thinking fast on a regular basis and a relatively sudden stop in order to pick up a passenger is one of them , I’ve no reason not to take the OP at face value and at the end of the day the outlined scenario could happen again to some other taxi driver and I’d take the same view

the Garda was a jobsworth who would be better hobbling criminals rather than self employed people

tesla_newbie · 27-08-2023 10:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032481#Comment_121032481

i take all stories like this on forums at face value, I have no basis not to as I know nothing about the character of the person relaying the details

Seth Brundle · 27-08-2023 10:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032730#Comment_121032730

you also have no idea if “ he was blocking a bus lane “ so two can play at that game

But I didn't accuse the garda of being a jobsworth (nor did I call the OP a name). The OP failed to provide details as to why the garda took action against them. Silence tends to be deafening!

Taxi drivers don’t have a set route like bus drivers , their job involves thinking fast on a regular basis and a relatively sudden stop in order to pick up a passenger is one of them , I’ve no reason not to take the OP at face value and at the end of the day the outlined scenario could happen again to some other taxi driver and I’d take the same view

Despite what many of them appear to think, taxi drivers are subject to the road traffic laws. If that doesn't suit them then they should reconsider their career choice!

the Garda was a jobsworth who would be better hobbling criminals rather than self employed people

Again, name calling despite what we've been told. According to the OP, the garda told them to move on. The OP told us that they ignored the garda and it was then that the garda issued the fine. That makes me think that the garda offered leniency to the OP and it was the OP who basically stuck up their two fingers at the garda. That doesn't make the garda a jobsworth despite your daft interpretation of the event.

Seth Brundle · 27-08-2023 10:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032733#Comment_121032733

Ok then: I was there and saw it all. The OP was blocking an ambulance spot outside a busy hospital. Several ambulances were unable to transfer patients for urgent care until the OP drove off.

I assume you'll take me at face value now given that you seem to naively believe everything you read.

tesla_newbie · 27-08-2023 10:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032781#Comment_121032781

If you want me to believe the OP is at fault in you’re fictional setting and will make you happy?, then be happy

Seth Brundle · 27-08-2023 10:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032792#Comment_121032792

Who else, other than the OP would be at fault for the OP parking on double yellows?

AndrewJRenko · 27-08-2023 10:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121031385#Comment_121031385

1) Yes, typical thing and not unusual at all unfortunately. It's funny how people come up with the 'I got caught' explanation, as if they're surprised that the green light turned amber, then red. It's fairly predictable that a green light is going to turn amber then red.

2) Yes, it is a timed Clearway on Conyngham Road, for the morning and evening rush hours. I'm not sure what the solution is - maybe Tesco's route planning system should be taking such restrictions into account, or requiring the recipient to provide access to unloading space, in the car park perhaps.

tesla_newbie · 27-08-2023 10:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032770#Comment_121032770

i begin from the basis that forum users are providing accurate details, I’m in no position to know for sure but I’ve zero basis for believing that they are embellishing the truth , forum discussions are pointless if you doubt stories, lessons can be drawn based on details without being sure of the absolute reliability of the story teller in a forum setting, I don’t know the OP but can draw conclusions from the details and said details could apply in other scenarios involving different people

tesla_newbie · 27-08-2023 4:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121032800#Comment_121032800

It’s not about the OP being at fault, the guard should have used his discretion, instead he opted to be a jobsworth

Seth Brundle · 27-08-2023 5:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121034143#Comment_121034143

The OP told us that the garda did use their discretion by telling them to move on. The OP then told us that they ignored the garda.

What should the garda have done? Ignored the OP parking on double yellows? The fact that the OP didn't tell us why the garda wanted them to move on (or that they weren't blocking the lane or traffic) would suggest that there was a valid reason for the garda to ask them to move on rather than the garda being a jobsworth. However, you want to believe that the garda was being a dick and that the OP isn't keeping information from us (despite the OP not answering those questions before they disappeared from boards).

Potential-Monke · 27-08-2023 8:53pm

Taxi drivers don’t have a set route like bus drivers , their job involves thinking fast on a regular basis and a relatively sudden stop in order to pick up a passenger is one of them

But it doesn't give them permission to break road traffic legislation. In fact, PSV drivers are expected to be even more aware of all the rules and laws and drive better than most people, because their livlihood depends on keeping their licence. The only people who can break road traffic laws are members of AGS, fire service, ambulance, coast guard and military (and related services if applicable), and only in specific circumstances. Everyone else, especially PSV drivers, have to obey whether you agree to the laws or not. You agree to abide by them when you apply and subsequently get a driving licence or operators licence.

Country needs to introduce a renewal course, I'd be for having to sit it every 5 years. And AGS/the courts should be able to direct people to resit their driving tests too.

elperello · 27-08-2023 9:14pm

Whatever about the rights and wrongs of the OP's case I think it might be worth considering some of the issues involved a little more generally.

Both taxis and delivery services are an integral part of trying to persuade people to reduce their use of private cars.

Perhaps we need to take a closer look at how rules and regulations could be changed to make their operations easier.

That's not to say that anyone should be given carte blanche to cause obstruction.

Potential-Monke · 27-08-2023 10:07pm

There are taxi bays and set down areas for deliveries. But as usual they're taken up with selfish individuals who think they should be allowed to park there. So still not the law at fault, still humans to blame! Can you imagine the reaction of some people on here if you even thought of issuing tickets to these people...

Hotblack Desiato · 27-08-2023 10:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121035852#Comment_121035852

Whether they drive their own car, or are driven in someone else's car, they're still in a car! There are no congestion or environmental benefits so why exactly should we be encouraging taxi use?

elperello · 27-08-2023 11:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036062#Comment_121036062

There are taxi ranks but there seem to be less of them than before.

On the delivery I was thinking more of the home side of things.

I would support issuing tickets to offenders.

elperello · 27-08-2023 11:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121036233#Comment_121036233

I think if someone gives up the car and cycles,walks or uses public transport combined with occasional taxi use there are clear congestion and environmental benefits.

ARX · 28-08-2023 10:15am

Given that it's apparently illegal for a taxi driver to stop on double yellow lines to pick up or set down passengers, how is a bus driver supposed to stop at this bus stop on Barnhill Road in Dalkey without breaking the law? It seems that stopping there would involve a breach of the parking regulations:

( d ) on a section of roadway with less than 3 traffic lanes and where traffic sign number RRM 001 [continuous white line] has been provided;

18 R829 - Google Maps

Seth Brundle · 28-08-2023 10:56am

If you look at the full text wihtin that section, it makes provision for a bus stop and ...

36 Prohibitions on Parking

36. (1) Save as otherwise provided for in these Regulations and subject to article 5, a vehicle shall not be parked on a public road at a location, in a manner or for a purpose referred to in this article.

(2) A vehicle shall not be parked—

( a ) on that side of a section of roadway along the edge of which traffic sign number RRM 008 [double yellow lines] has been provided;

( b ) on a section of roadway where traffic sign number RUS 019 [No Parking sign] has been provided, during the period indicated on the information plate accompanying such traffic sign;

( c ) within 5 metres of a road junction;

( d ) on a section of roadway with less than 3 traffic lanes and where traffic sign number RRM 001 [continuous white line] has been provided;

( e ) on a section of roadway where traffic sign number RUS 020, in association with RRM 029 [appointed stand], has been placed to indicate that an appointed stand has been provided;

( f ) in any place, position or manner that will result in the vehicle obstructing, delaying or interfering with the entrance to or exit from a fire brigade station, an ambulance station or a Garda station;

( g ) in any place, position or manner that will result in the vehicle obstructing an entrance or an exit for vehicles to or from a premises, save with the consent of the occupier of such premises;

( h ) within 15 metres (on the approach side) or 5 metres (on the side other than the approach side) of a section of roadway where any of the following traffic signs have been provided—

(i) traffic sign number RPC 001 [Pedestrian Crossing];

(ii) traffic sign number RPC 002 [Pedestrian Crossing Complex]; or

(iii) traffic sign numbers RTS 00I, RTS 002, RTS 003 or RTS 004 [traffic lights];

( i ) on a footway, a grass margin or a median strip;

( j ) on a part of a roadway which is a casual trading area, during hours of trading, unless the vehicle is for the time being in use for the purposes of casual trading;

( k ) in a manner in which it will interfere with the normal flow of traffic or which obstructs or endangers other traffic;

( l ) where traffic sign RUS 031 [bus stop] or RRM 030 [stopping place or stand] has been provided unless the vehicle is an omnibus.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print#article36

ARX · 28-08-2023 11:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037214#Comment_121037214

That is a prohibition on parking any vehicle other than an omnibus at a bus stop. It's not an exemption for omnibuses from the preceding prohibitions.

Potential-Monke · 30-08-2023 10:22pm

A: It's not apparantly illegal, it is illegal.

B: I'd imagine he'd indicate left on time, slow down, pull in and pick up the passengers. No laws broken there. No yellow lines. Traffic behind should wait because you can't overtake (and drivers behind wouldn't see that it's right at a junction, a different conversation to be had there). Specific legislation allows buses to stop at bus stops, ie: 36(l) - that does exempt it, it says as much.

Yeah, it's a stupid place for a bus stop. The only suggestion I could have to improve it is to make that whole road one way, with a bus lane and regular lane. But I don't know the area so not sure how workable that would be. I'd imagine the locals probably wouldn't be too happy, depending on how much of a loop it would cause. This is a side effect of bad planning.

Peregrinus · 31-08-2023 6:17am

No, I think there is a legal problem. There's a continuous white line on the road and it's a two-lane road, so parking is prohibited by reg.36(2)(d). There's no exemption for buses there.

Normally Dublin Bus and the local authority consult on the location of bus stops, and one of the purposes of the consultation is to ensure that the bus stop and the traffic signs/markings are correctly aligned. It looks like they're not aligned here. The technical term for this is a cock-up.

31-08-2023 9:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121049224#Comment_121049224

Specific legislation allows buses to stop at bus stops, ie: 36(l) - that does exempt it, it says as much.

That's not an exemption:

A vehicle shall not be parked... where traffic sign RUS 031 [bus stop] or RRM 030 [stopping place or stand] has been provided unless the vehicle is an omnibus.

That just says a vehicle can't park at a bustop unless it's a bus. It doesn't say that a bus can always park there, regardless of other prohibitions. Unless there's some specific by-law in operation, it would be illegal for a bus to stop there

Potential-Monke · 31-08-2023 11:41pm

You're making an issue where there is none. Buses are allowed to stop at bus stops. It's literally a stop for buses to drop off and pick up people, and move on.

That law above says no one is allowed to stop there, unless it's a bus...

Peregrinus · 01-09-2023 3:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121054176#Comment_121054176

The law also says that nobody is allowed to stop on a two-lane road with a single white line. And there's no "unless it's a bus" in that provision.

Potential-Monke · 01-09-2023 5:43am

I give up. You're right.

Double yellow lines for taxi pick-up

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