General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

and liverpool win it at the death!

Haha delighted for Newcastle

they had a great opportunity to go 2 up, but barnes got try line fever rather than squaring the ball, but shocking is fair the last 30

As in manager or alive given the club owners?

I would expect him to lose his head in the dressing room!

Watching the netflix documentary he doesn't seem the type to give the hairdryer treatment.

I think this game shows why Man City will probably win the league very easily again.

Newcastle 11 v 10 and they were mostly playing to keep the 1-0. City is usually relentless and won't let a game like this get away from them.

I'm very happy that they were punished, their game has taken a page from the City/Guardiola book: this annoying cynical, passive aggressiveness that allows them to get away with stuff.

Well done to Liverpool!!

Actually, we've seen players being carded this season for asking for others players to be booked after committing a foul.

Why were Gordon, Trippier and a couple other Newcastle players not booked for asking for Trent to be sent off?

The brilliant attacking play of Newcastle is being undermined by poor defending. If Botman, Burn, Schar and Pope are first choices with only Lascelles on the bench you're in trouble against the top sides.

Howe must realise this and it's strange no defensive signings have been made during the window. He could be out of a job by Christmas.

Livramento?

Newcastle had one of the best defensive records last year. Pope was in the top three goalkeepers and Burn and Botman were in a lot of teams of the season last year.

Edit: quoted the wrong person.

despite the fact I still think it's less a foul than is a foul, after reflection, and probably with the help of Liverpool actually winning the game, this is probably the correct take.

VVD gave the ref a decision to make. VAR couldn't change it, but if the ref hadn't seen it, it wouldn't have been brought back.

it's not actually that clear. hence most people online or anywhere else needed multiple looks at it. from what I can see, he touches the leg, and he then gets the ball. he doesn't go 'through him' or any of the other hyperbole that I've seen. so while it probably is a foul on multiple replays, I really don't think it's that clear.

it's not a hill I'm dying on, but I can guarantee you a similar tackle will happen soon and a referee will make a different decision.

put it this way ... if the ref doesn't give the red, I don't think he's told to go to VAR to change his decision.

Genuinely don't know how you can look at the second angle here abd not see vvd comes though issaks right leg, to get to the ball

I don't see any justification for that not being a foul.

The dirtiness of it or not is not in question though. Once it's a foul the decision is whether it then denies a goal scoring opportunity. Maybe that is questionable. Fwiw I thought the red forest got was harsh cause I'm not convinced Bruno gets there..

No , villa beat them to the conference league place

i think Newcastle will go well in the Champions League actually, but their league form will suffer. I think their style will catch some good teams out in that competition. i can see them making the next round.

with Arsenal, i think Arteta will struggle to maintain a similar league challenge to last season. he played the same team into the ground, and he's already struggling this season to implement a few different ways to play with different players. i think Arsenal will get top 4 and get to at least the knockouts in the CL, but they'll fall off a bit.

I genuinely think it'll need a miraculous Liverpool run to challenge City. a lot of the players have juggled competitions many times, and many of them won't actually see the Europa League unless we make it to the final stages. having said that, I don't think Liverpool actually will properly challenge City as they're just too short in certain areas.

This timewasting clampdown enforcement is not really going well so far is it?

While I am all for it, and booking players for blatant timewasting, the referees need to know the rules and enforce them. Not just doing a yellow card at random points for some breaks in play and not others. Then saying it's timewasting when it's not in other cases.