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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Reportedly Raffensperger under oath stated "it was a campaign call"

    Judge listening to closing arguments now in today's motion hearing



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,487 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Why hasn't he sued the judge who very clearly and deliberately stated that Donald Trump was a rapist? Surely those very public quotes would be an easy defamation case for Trump, no?

    Pretty straight forward question I would say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,727 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Hes operating on actual reality so probably not, most Trumpers don't make sense.

    Trumpers have very interesting methods of "understanding" their version of reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Imagine frequently leaping to the defence of somebody's sexual assault charges because of the technicality it might have been a finger... In most jurisdictions that's rape so it's actively trying to downplay a sexual assault cause you really like "owning the libs"? Or selling t-shirts of the rapist in other cases...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    “But if he shot a demonstrator in Lafayette Park, that would obviously be outside the scope of his duties,” Terwilliger said.  

    Yeah, this is his lawyers argument, it wasn't murder your honor, what's a little white collar coup attempt between friends?

    I assume we will hear a decision soon TM.

    While they list it here's Trump's current 2024 calendar. But it's okay, as we know Trump is the healthiest human being to have ever lived and he has infinite reserves of stamina and energy that the radical left just can't comprehend. /s

    • January 15 – E. Jean Carroll civil defamation trial begins; Iowa caucuses
    • January 23 – Possible New Hampshire primary
    • February 8 – Nevada caucuses
    • February 24 – South Carolina primary
    • February 27 – Possible Michigan primary
    • March 2 – Possible Michigan caucuses; Idaho caucuses
    • March 3 – DC party-run primary
    • March 4 – Federal trial on 2020 election criminal charges begins; North Dakota caucuses
    • March 5 (Super Tuesday) – Primaries in Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah caucuses, primaries in Vermont, Virginia
    • March 12 – Primary in Georgia, Hawaii caucuses, primaries in Mississippi, Washington
    • March 19 – Primaries in Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, Ohio
    • March 23 – Primary in Louisiana
    • March 25 – Trump’s criminal trial in New York related to 2016 hush-money payments begins
    • April 2 – Primaries in Delaware, potentially New York, Rhode Island, Wisconsin
    • April 23 – Primary in Pennsylvania
    • April 30 – Primary in Connecticut
    • May 7 – Primary in Indiana
    • May 14 – Primaries in Maryland, Nebraska, West Virginia
    • May 20 – Criminal trial in classified documents case begins
    • May 21 – Primaries in Kentucky, Oregon
    • June 4 – Primaries in Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, South Dakota
    • July 15-18 – GOP convention in Milwaukee

    Candidates cannot campaign on voting days anyway, for those sucking up the outrage bait about the scheduling.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Dexter Bumpy Turquoise


    Trump must be delighted with the trial date.

    All these indictments are rallying support behind him.

    When people find out the RABID MARXISTS have set a trial date for before Super Tuesday, people will flock to the polls in their tens of millions for The Donald.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache



    Why don't we meet somewhere in the middle? I'm a simple man and if someone stuck an unwanted cock or finger into a sister or daughter's privates, I wouldn't be too bothered with hair splitting. You're, well, you're different and that's OK.

    If you don't like the word "rapist", would "molester" be OK with you as a compromise? It'll get rid of the icky discomfort that you feel when supporting a rapist and give you a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that you support a molester instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Article in the NYT (paywall free link if it works) argues why Trump's 'I thought the election was stolen' defense won't work, and also will likely fail at the Supreme Court if that's the ultimate question. It cites a 2011 SCOTUS decision that was decided 8-1 by the Alito court, Global-Tech Appliances, Inc. v. SEB S. A., 563 U.S. 754 (2011).

      2. Deliberate indifference to a known risk that a patent exists does not satisfy the knowledge required by §271(b). Nevertheless, the Federal Circuit’s judgment must be affirmed because the evidence in this case was plainly sufficient to support a finding of Pentalpha’s knowledge under the doctrine of willful blindness. Pp. 10–16.

          (a) The doctrine of willful blindness is well established in criminal law. Many criminal statutes require proof that a defendant acted knowingly or willfully, and courts applying the doctrine have held that defendants cannot escape the reach of these statutes by deliberately shielding themselves from clear evidence of critical facts that are strongly suggested by the circumstances. The traditional rationale for the doctrine is that defendants who behave in this manner are just as culpable as those who have actual knowledge. This Court endorsed a concept similar to willful blindness over a century ago in Spurr v. United States174 U. S. 728, 735, and every Federal Court of Appeals but one has fully embraced willful blindness. Given the doctrine's long history and wide acceptance in the Federal Judiciary, there is no reason why the doctrine should not apply in civil lawsuits for induced patent infringement under §271(b). Pp. 10–13.

          (b) Although the Courts of Appeals articulate the doctrine of willful blindness in slightly different ways, all agree on two basic requirements. First, the defendant must subjectively believe that there is a high probability that a fact exists. Second, the defendant must take deliberate actions to avoid learning of that fact. These requirements give willful blindness an appropriately limited scope that surpasses recklessness and negligence. Pp. 13–14.

          (c) Although the Federal Circuit’s test departs from the proper willful blindness standard in important respects, the evidence when viewed in the light most favorable to the verdict for SEB was sufficient under the correct standard. Pentalpha believed that SEB’s fryer embodied advanced technology that would be valuable in the U. S. market as evidenced by its decision to copy all but the fryer’s cosmetic features. Also revealing is Pentalpha’s decision to copy an overseas model of SEB’s fryer, aware that it would not bear U. S. patent markings. Even more telling is Pentalpha’s decision not to inform its attorney that the product to be evaluated was simply a knockoff of SEB’s fryer. Taken together, the evidence was more than sufficient for a jury to find that Pentalpha subjectively believed there was a high probability that SEB’s fryer was patented and took deliberate steps to avoid knowing that fact, and that it therefore willfully blinded itself to the infringing nature of Sunbeam’s sales. Pp. 14–16.

    594 F. 3d 1360, affirmed.

    ie., a defendant using Orwellian doublethink and other efforts to have an acute bout of amnesia every time someone presents them with evidence that refutes their personally held beliefs, is not a legal defense, and rather can be evidence of culpability.

    Writing for the majority (abstract) Scalia wrote:

     The doctrine of willful blindness is well established in criminal law. Many criminal statutes require proof that a defendant acted knowingly or willfully, and courts applying the doctrine of willful blindness hold that defendants cannot escape the reach of these statutes by deliberately shielding themselves from clear evidence of critical facts that are strongly suggested by the circumstances. The traditional rationale for this doctrine is that defendants who behave in this manner are just as culpable as those who have actual knowledge. Edwards, The Criminal Degrees of Knowledge, 17 Mod. L. Rev. 294, 302 (1954) (hereinafter Edwards) (observing on the basis of English authorities that “up to the present day, no real doubt has been cast on the proposition that [willful blindness] is as culpable as actual knowledge”). It is also said that persons who know enough to blind themselves to direct proof of critical facts in effect have actual knowledge of those facts. See United States v. Jewell, 532 F. 2d 697, 700 (CA9 1976) (en banc).   


    This Court’s opinion more than a century ago in Spurr v. United States174 U. S. 728 (1899),[Footnote 6] while not using the term “willful blindness,” endorsed a similar concept. The case involved a criminal statute that prohibited a bank officer from “willfully” certifying a check drawn against insufficient funds. We said that a willful violation would occur “if the [bank] officer purposely keeps himself in ignorance of whether the drawer has money in the bank.” Id., at 735. Following our decision in Spurr, several federal prosecutions in the first half of the 20th century invoked the doctrine of willful blindness.[Footnote 7] Later, a 1962 proposed draft of the Model Penal Code, which has since become official, attempted to incorporate the doctrine by defining “knowledge of the existence of a particular fact” to include a situation in which “a person is aware of a high probability of [the fact’s] existence, unless he actually believes that it does not exist.” ALI, Model Penal Code §2.02(7) (Proposed Official Draft 1962). Our Court has used the Code’s definition as a guide in analyzing whether certain statutory presumptions of knowledge comported with due process. See Turner v. United States396 U. S. 398, 416–417 (1970); Leary v. United States395 U. S. 6, 46–47, and n. 93 (1969). And every Court of Appeals—with the possible exception of the District of Columbia Circuit, see n. 9, infra—has fully embraced willful blindness, applying the doctrine to a wide range of criminal statutes.   


    Given the long history of willful blindness and its wide acceptance in the Federal Judiciary, we can see no reason why the doctrine should not apply in civil lawsuits for induced patent infringement under 35 U. S. C. §271(b).[Footnote 8]   




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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I hope people like that don't have sisters or kids.

    If someone confided in them that they were sexually abused, I can't see them being much help.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,487 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Update: Charlie is dodging the question.

    You said calling Trump a rapist was defamation, so what about the Judge who publicly called him a rapist?

    I don't think it is defamation to repeat the findings of a judge in a legal case, but it seems charlie says otherwise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Not just publicly but legally and on the court record. That's more permanent than your permanent record.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Here's how meadows explained this incident to the court today, according to NYT:

    During his testimony, Mr. Meadows discussed the trip he made to Cobb County during its audit of signatures on mail-in absentee ballots. He was turned away after trying to get into the room where state investigators were verifying the signatures. Mr. Meadows said he had been in the area visiting his children who live there, and went to the auditing location because he was “anticipating” that Mr. Trump would eventually bring up the Cobb County review. He said what he found was “a very professional operation.”

    Very flimsy. At other points in the hearing he invoked the ignorance defense, that he just manages to forget a lot of things and key details,

    “My wife will tell you sometimes that I forget to take out the trash,” he told Judge Steve C. Jones of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Georgia.

    He forgot to take out the trash but remembered to abandon his kids he was visiting to bring a cadre of secret service agents to gatecrash an independent vote audit, yeah okay.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,659 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Any defamation of Donald JR Trump would probably result in an improvement in his public reputation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Hearing has concluded but Judge will not issue ruling from the bench tonight

    The all-day hearing on former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows’ request to move the Georgia election interference case to federal court in Atlanta has concluded.

    US District Judge Steve Jones did not rule from the bench on Monday. He acknowledged that arraignments in the criminal case were scheduled for September 6, and said he would rule as quickly as possible.

    Meadows’ attorney said “we are entitled to a prompt determination” of whether his state criminal charges will be moved to federal court.

    As the hearing drew to a close, one of the judge’s final questions was whether Meadows had any federal authorities that Trump didn’t have as president. District Attorney Fani Willis’ office said no, but Meadows team said yes, arguing that the chief of staff has a “wide range of authority.” 

    The breadth of his federal authority is key to determining whether the case will stay in state court.




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I like how the difference between digital and penile rape is an important distinction to some. Most people would not want to associate with any kind of molester but some people are clearly ok with molestation if they just use their fingers to do it. It's the sort of thing that disgusts most people but as can be seen from this thread, being a molester isn't an issue for some. I don't know why people would be OK with sexual molestation but that's just me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The same party that wants to end public schools, ban books, prevent voting under 25, end no fault divorce, abolish marital rape laws, and ban abortions, defends a known rapist? Slow down, I need to put this all together.

    Just a mystery he won this state in a landslide.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Their movement can't even use original content?

    Which tracks, he couldn't keep Obama out of his mouth when he made up excuses about his economy, and MAGA continue to plagiarize his speeches to this day.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,487 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its boring how you lads can't answer simple questions.

    I mean, we know why you won't answer them, but its still boring all the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 83,393 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Eyewitness in the Meadows hearing room today, recalling Mark Meadows' time being cross examined on the stand - for over 5 hours, and the process of the hearing today:

    Something he mentions I found interesting but not shocking, was that he squirmed under questioning, especially about things like

    "On or about the 27th day of December 2020, Mark Randall Meadows sent a text message to Office of the Georgia Secretary of State Chief Investigator Frances Watson that stated in part, "Is there a way to speed up Fulton county (sic) signature verification in order to have results before Jan. 6 if the trump (sic) campaign assist (sic) financially."

    Some might call that a bribe from The Big Guy. And from a campaign coffer no less.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    It's because they're just reposting shíte that they picked up on some other Trump-fluffing hellsite where said shíte went down very well. They repost it here as their own in an impotent effort to appear clever but since there was no original thought involved, they aren't able to respond to questions. It's like being asked about a homework assignment that they handed in that was written by someone else or AI. They just aren't capable of defending the shíte that they're posting because they don't fully understand it nor have they given it any thought.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,140 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users Posts: 19,779 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Lol

    Another conspiracy theory regarding the trial date.

    Same people will tell you that him being arrested was a good thing for his re-election.

    Which is it?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,664 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The desperation of those stuck in admiration of a septuagenarian real estate mogul, trying to spin a mugshot as some folksy Rebel moment, is kinda hilarious.

    "Revenge" for getting arrested and convicted of an offence? So much for the "law and order" party, or Trump's big talk about draining the swamp. And Trump's initial response was a URL grifting begging for money?

    Ooh, what an outlaw. So brave. Watch out Ned Kelly, the ballads are incoming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,435 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Remember when trump said he won the comp at bedminister with a round of 67, that was 8 strokes better than Phil Mickleson shot two weeks earlier. More Kim Jung Il vibes.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,884 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You're dismissing inconvenient facts that do not suit the Trumpster narrative.

    The man you're slavishly defending is a rapist. It's been proven.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,264 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Do people not realise the President is the President of all?

    Imagine if Biden ever talked about MAGA heads the way Trump speaks of the “Marxists and Liberals”.

    That revenge poster is just pathetic, and his behaviour towards his opposition, who he would serve as president, should just rule him out.

    And in a way, I think it will. There’s no chance the independents will swing his way, (taking away the court cases for a moment,) by making constant disparaging attacks on the other side. Most independents would have friends that are red AND blue.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,234 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    That revenge poster is just pathetic

    It appeals to the simple minded. Nothing more.



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