The Kerry Babies Case

We will never find out the full truth.

Anyone left alive who knows anything has kept quiet for 40 years, they're hardly going to change their mind now, and even if they did it's unlikely anything could be proven one way or the other anyway.

The full truth? I would settle for accountability, which is the most that any court can deliver.

The parents are still alive, as are many others who were in the vicinity. Let them sit in court and decide whether the community deserves to hear their evidence. Let the court consider the charges and deliver its verdict on the basis of all the evidence. Those involved have a right to silence, not a right to anonymity.

But the DPP has had the file for almost three months now. It seems increasingly likely that the DPP will choose not to prosecute anyone for any offence in relation to this shocking murder. If so, the news will be released at a suitable moment to minimise controversy and, if the DPP takes flack, there will be no shortage of media commentators trying to persuade us that it’s for the best.

Shoddy reporting, Baby John was not 5 days old when he was murdered.

So the two individuals have no idea if the DPP has the file yet, or will ever have the file, and they have not been informed of the results of the DNA tests.

But their solicitor is a bollix and can fúck right off.

Odd take.

I heard the radio interview, he comes across as a belligerent bollix. I understand that they have to be represented legally but I've developed a real dislike of that guy. There's a touch of the Healy Raes about him.

Some papers reported that the couple were told the results of the DNA test during their questioning but solicitor O'Connell says otherwise.

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I had dealings with that solicitor, an absolute press whore but denies it all to his clients. It was probably him that leaked their arrest to the media.

The danger of posting at 3 am!

everyone knows that gardai messed up, that's being known for years.

but the gardai didn't kill that baby. Want to tell us how a baby was pecked by seagulls? a newborn?

as for evidence, I don't know what evidence gardai have, do you?

Well, someone does know the facts.

Seagulls🙄

I did not realise "The Sheriff" also fcuked up the Ian Long case, some lad our Gerry!

Should be NOEL Long, sorry.

Has this programme been made since the information this year came to light?

I'm actually glad it's channel 4 that made it.

Produced outside of the country they aren't going to be worrying about who's feelings are hurt or that their great great grandfather was besties with someone in the village great great grandfather 🙄🙄🙄

Hopefully it will be clear and concise. Not dragged out repetition that could be done in 15 mins.

There's different levels of dragged out.

Did you watch the documentary on rte a couple of weeks ago, based on a podcast...An interview eithIreland's serial killer (I think was the full name) my god that was absolutely painful!

However , it depends on how much detail they go into. Especially if they go in-depth on the poor family that was framed etc.

Then how the DNA sample came about, the desecration of the grave. There probably is enough content to fill 3 hours comfortably enough if they go in depth.

If they go the gloss over everything route , then yeah repetition is all we'll get!

Not made by Channel 4 but by Peninsula TV - a "content production company based in Dublin and New York". 

They produced the Heiress and the Heist, a 3 parter about Rose Dugdale which is on Prime. An amazing story but produced for a foreign audience and without Rose Dugdale's involvement, as far as I can tell. Do Irish people need talking heads repeatedly telling us "her upper-class British accent would not have endeared her to most IRA members"? Far more relevant would be what the Provos made of her Marxist views and revolutionary aims. The Provos had just split from the Officials over that issue.

Here's a simple rule to judge any documentary - do we hear all the main protagonists directly or do we get one side of the story or, worst of all, do we get a lot of voice-overs and opinionated journalists in carefully lit settings telling us what to think.

Is there?

They still conceived and gave birth to a child.

Whatever about being a terrified teenager, in the decades that followed did the moral compass never shift?

Ok you could say the family member told them the baby was adopted or whatever (no idea if that's the story) however if a baby washed up murdered matching the same timeframe as your birth would you never wonder?* When they were looking for voluntary DNA samples would you not think , well actually this would settle my internal suspicions.

* A baby was found alive/abandoned just after I'd given birth to my eldest....I still think what became of the baby and thd mum.