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Killers of the Flower Moon - Martin Scorsese - AppleTV+

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The Irishman being a bit of a distracting disappointment, I'm looking forward to this. Scorcese is a director who can make 3 hours fly by (which was another reason The Irishman was such a letdown; it really dragged), and the trailer certainly makes it look thrilling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    John Lithgow and Brendan Fraser also in the cast. Looking forward to this. Read an article on the murders year ago, and had been meaning to pick up the book on which this is directly based.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Yeah I keep meaning to read more into the true story cos if I'm remembering it right, it sounds like a parallel event similar to what happened "black wall street" in Tulsa in 1921. Need to have a read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,859 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Killers Of The Flower Moon will premiere in the UK and Irish cinemas on 6th October, before streaming globally on Apple TV+ with 210 minutes running time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Nothing quite says There will be Blood like oil pouring over dudes like that at the start of the trailer 😀



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Did this get a showing at Cannes? I'm already seeing some reviews on Letterbox and they're quite glowing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Yeah, Donald Clarke of the Irish Times saw it at Cannes alright. A pity we now have to wait until October!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Boo. Funny how, while the internet spins into a tizzy about Indiana Jones 5 at Cannes, Scorcese seems to have knocked it out of the park and appears to gain no viral traction. No wonder he has salty remarks about the MCU.

    Post edited by pixelburp on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Indy 5 is a rare enough example of ‘nerd culture’ crossing over with ‘cinephile festival culture’ (see also: Joker). I would say a lot of the people in a tizzy over Indy’s reception would have very little interest in the reception to Zone of Interest or the new Aki Kurismaki film.

    Anyway, Killers… sounds great. Must try read the book before the film’s release.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,572 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Would disagree entirely with your view on The Irishman. I really enjoyed and the main criticism I would have would be it was probably just too long.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    I too enjoyed The Irishman. Watched it during the day with no kids around so no distractions. Found it very engaging.

    Looking forward to this new one now.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Uh, confused. You disagree with my view (that it was too long), while saying your main criticism was it was "probably just too long"? 😂🤔



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Another new trailer; liking the vibes of this.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭metaoblivia


    Excited for this. I picked up the book it's based on and it's very good so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,859 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Looks like a full cinema release worldwide now October 20th




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    A rare bit of positive news on the distribution front for a streamer release: the scale of the release is actually being increased, so it will have a big, proper global cinema release, as opposed to the 'limited releases' Netflix and the like are so fond of. Especially, as some have pointed out, a limited theatrical release often means a streamer can wiggle their way out of paying standard theatrical dues to the people involved in making it.

    Reading the book at the moment and lots of intriguing things in there that I'm very interested in seeing Scorsese tackle.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I presume this cinematic global release will, hopefully, include Ireland in the run? It's definitely a film and director I'd do my level best to seek out a cinema trip for.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Oh yeah, it's always been due for a UK / Ireland release I believe. What this does mean is that hopefully, it should now play widely across multiplexes as well as independent sites, as a lot of chains have been reluctant to screen 'limited release' films from streamers without a proper theatrical window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,435 ✭✭✭Aisling(",)


    I've just finished the book and I'm dying to see this in the cinema.

    As with most trailers I feel this gives too much away, some things which aren't made clear till at least half way through the book are neon arrow signposted in the trailer. Bit of a shame given as it was a shock when reading.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Another new trailer; ya know, something tells me this is not a story that'll end well...




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,562 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    It's a fantastic book.

    Really looking forward to this film.



  • Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Pinkman


    Reckon it's worth reading the book before the film? Given Scorsese has apparently approached the story quite differently to the book I was thinking it might be worth reading before as it won't be a straight adaptation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,435 ✭✭✭Aisling(",)


    I think so.I think its easier to enjoy a film after reading a book than to enjoy the book after you've watched the film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,392 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I was interested in going to see this. Then I seen that crap actor Dicaprio is in it so I am out. Not paying his salary or contributing to it no thanks. He ruins everything he is in. So will wait till it is on the T.V.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭FCTwenteBenson


    Thats a fairly niche view on Di Caprio it has to be said.

    And you're out? Until it's on tv at which point you're back in again 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭MfMan


    I agree with him. LDC is just another in a long line of Hollywood pretty boys with limited talent and zero charisma. Throw a stick at Malibu and you'll hit six of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    These are the facts:- American actor Leonardo DiCaprio has won 101 awards from 252 nominations. He has been nominated for seven Academy Awards, six British Academy Film Awards and eleven Screen Actors Guild Awards, winning one from each of these and three Golden Globe Awards from thirteen nominations.

    But lets ignore that and base it on your opinion that - "he ruins everything".



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I've warmed to DiCaprio a little; think the man is a bit of a twit, but as he has aged out of his pretty boy look, has become a more accomplished actor

    His work for Scorsese alone has been phenomenal: The Aviator; Shutter Island; The Departed; Wolf of Wall Street all standouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Really looking forward to this. I'm halfway through the book and it is outrageous how badly the native people were treated by whites. Just goes to show that racism is completely and inexorably ingrained in America.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,392 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Yes all films he has ruined and that would have been so much better had he not been in them.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,392 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I watched a show recently that was o RTE "The Frontier" . Its highly recommended. It explains how for America to be formed that natives were all forced further and further away from there lands all because of greed and the want for more land by the American Governments of the times. Mexico was even bigger than it is now but American Governments decided they wanted there land too. Its probably up on the player. An excellent show well worth watching.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,392 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Oh by the way has anyone seen the length of this film? It is 206minutes long or 3 hours 26 minutes if you prefer it that way and that is without the trailers lol. You would want to be scheduling 4 hours on your arse. Feck that. Another reason not to see it in the cinema ye :)

    Definitely one to see in the comfort of one's own home.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,435 ✭✭✭Aisling(",)


    God I was planning on going to see it on Friday but I think I'll need to be more strategic😅. I'd probably dose off if I went to it after a work day.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    A film's running length is perfectly justifiable if it has the story to accomadate it. It's not an automatic problem; those overlong blockbusters only struggle cos they nearly always fail to keep a pace to justify the length.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,697 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    DiCaprio has gotten better as he has gotten older - age has suited him. He was so good in OUATIH as the aging star struggling with irrelevance. I would once have said that he was overrated pretty boy, but I don't think that's really been the case now for more than a decade.

    Length of the movie doesn't bother me. If it's good enough then it's just more of a good thing IMO.

    Post edited by Arghus on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,153 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Weirdly, I find longer movies much easier to watch in the cinema than at home. In the cinema I'll just lock in and go with it, whereas at home I'm way more likely to get antsy, take a look at my phone, or just get generally distracted by the real world.

    Will definitely make the effort to head out for this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Is there a lot of subtitles in the movie? I would be watching in a non English speaking country so subtitles won’t work for me.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    An imperfect but really intriguing effort from Scorsese - and one that's very aware of some of its key limitations.

    Fair warning that it is a more sober, elegiac affair than perhaps even The Irishman. That's the right tone for the film, but I do confess to feeling some of that running time in the back half - and I'm someone who thinks directors should make films as long as they can. The issue here is that it can feel somewhat disjointed and scattered and episodic as it jumps through a large span of time. There are frequent moments of brilliance, though - it is Scorsese - and the style of the thing is impeccable. From stunning vistas that emphasise some of the key themes of the film in one simple shot, to stylish, period-specific montages that are pure Marty.

    Felt Di Caprio and De Niro were good, albeit in hammy, exaggerated performances. It's Gladstone who once again is the real star - a spectacular performance, living up to that remarkable potential she showed in Certain Women

    What's most interesting about the film is how it grapples with both being an adaptation and a real-world story about a horrendous atrocity - the grim foundation of the 'American Way' and the human & cultural cost of capitalist greed. In terms of an adaptation, it's very interesting what it chooses to take and omit from the novel. The FBI (although not quite the full FBI at that stage) investigation - which takes up the entire middle section of the book - is dramatically pared back - Jesse Plemmons as the lead investigator doesn't show up until like the two hour mark. And the lengthy modern-day epilogue - which reveals an even grander scope and conspiracy - is omitted pretty much entirely. The result is a film that very much hones in the Osage experience, but also that of Di Caprio's character Burkhart. Scorsese also isn't really interested in being a whodunnit or procedural thriller - the perpetrators are clear from pretty much the outset, so we just sort of watch their plans unfold.

    That's where the film's intriguing challenges with perspective come in. This is clearly a story about the Osage, and there's a lot of love given to recreating and reflecting their way of life here. It's doing justice to their plight. But it also very much hones in on an outsider's perspective, and indeed some of the people responsible for the violence. It sometimes feels like the larger Osage experience and personalities, outside of Molly's, is sidelined - outside of some really smart, elegant little interludes. This viral video doing the rounds is a great, thoughtful response to a complicated film:

    I totally understand the somewhat mixed Osage reaction to the film, but intriguingly so does Scorsese himself. He confronts the film's contradictions - a pulpy yet thoughtfully realised blockbuster about a very real tragedy, told by a non-Native American director - in a stunningly frank final epilogue, which might be some of the very best, sharpest filmmaking I've seen in 2023. It's an honest, authentic effort by Scorsese to grapple with a story that's much bigger than him - something reflected in the messy but deeply felt film that preceded it. It's a perfect end to what is often an imperfect film.

    Post edited by johnny_ultimate on




  • Absolutely loved this. Best thing I've seen in years. First 5/5 in years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    I really want to see this but I want a great cinema experience. I have been dissapointed with sound a picture quality in some cinemas of late. Anyone got any recommendations for cinemas in Dublin (without head wrecking teens on their phones).

    My 77 year old father (slightly hard of hearing) wants to see, "Killer Flowers from the Moon".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I like the Odeon in the Point.

    The Lighthouse in Smithfield also.

    The IFI is good but tight leg space



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭py2006


    Oh I went to see the Irishman in the Lighthouse and had a much better experience than seeing it in the Savoy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    IFI. Think screen 1 is the "big" screen and do not sit near the front as those seats are too near the screen. Maybe anywhere from halfway back. ... if you choose to go there. Saw Oppenheimer there and no complaints and with a crowd who wanted to watch a movie and not disturb others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭ronano


    I saw the film in lighthouse screen 1 on Thursday, no one on phones, good legroom and sound and picture quality were good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,137 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    What is it with Hollywood and overly long films?

    Do a bit of editing ffs.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,835 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'd to shout at a twat who's phone kept dinging which was a shame.

    Otherwise, excellent experience. Didn't mind the length at all. Wonderful film and not quite what I was expecting from the trailer.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,924 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Savoy always seems very quiet when I'm there.

    I don't know how they survive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    No way I'm siting in the cinema for 4 hours, wait for it to be available online.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,835 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Did 4 hours for Oppenheimer and said never again. I struggle to sit in the one spot for that long.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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