Spain - Women World Cup Champions - 1 week later. (How not to manage a crises)

Definitely agree with you about the event overshadowing their achievement but to be honest it may be the only reason a lot of people know Spain won the women's world cup this year. I don't think it is a nothingburger though with the antics of the Spanish FA chief threatening all and sundry. This is how you dont manage a PR crisis. A bit like the Tubridy case, where people referred to it as a nothing burger but it was handled so badly it became bigger.

I dont think it was a sexual assaults but if you did it more than once in a professional setting it would be akin to sexual harassment.

Because you appear to be defending the Spanish manager doing that act in a moment of passion, whilst on the other hand giving an example whereby you would take a manager to court for doing exactly the same thing.

The simple solution, in both your examples, would be for managers not to kiss people on the lips. Not that hard to do.

Even in moments of celebration, and especially not on the world stage, not at a global tournament indirectly representing female equal rights progress, then doubling down on it after.

It's the 5 second rule, no take backsies

You have said that because she was seen with a photo and joking and laughing immediately afterwards that she must have been ok with the kiss. Isn't that just the exact same defence that most accused rapists use?

Here are your words:

 there was Hermoso's radio interview afterwards, saying the kiss was nothing and that she had a great relationship with the president. She laughed it off.

I am astonished that any woman would use something said or done by another woman in the immediate aftermath of an incident of sexual harrassment as a defence of the perpetrator. Many many women, in the serious shock of what has happened to them, have laughed off incidents in the immediate aftermath, and that has come back on them unfairly.

My opinion is very clear. The Spanish President acted in a completely inappropriate way at the ceremony, Hermoso's responses have nothing to say on it one way or the other and with a suitable humble apology (not the half-hearted one he gave) he could have got away with it. However, what clearly demands his resignation are his actions since the incident, threatening the woman with legal action, double-downing on the consent issue, and generally trying to bully his way out of it. Those are resigning matters.

People who perhaps feel they would be in the same legal trouble if they were honest about it. There hasn't been a whole lot of culture denouncing sex pests, either. Thank the harvey Weinsteins of the world. Poor Kif was the only one who had a mind about being raped to death.

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Because the quote above is what I was referring to: A Daily Mail Article. Which another poster then said:

You are just arguing in bad faith now. The Daily Mail is a rag and “Truth” is not in its remit.

Excellent synopsis that I agree with.

It all shows that this is a cultural issue, people not understanding the power relationships, thinking that they can then bully a woman into silence.

I get she doesnt seem that much bothered by what happened at this stage, but she thought about and then decided she though it unprofessional. That is the risk Rubiales took by kissing someone without their permission.

I think the lesson is dont kiss someone without their permission.

So Rubiales kissed her, made at statement on her behalf, lied in a speech about her , threatened to sue her, but this is little to do with him? Is this seriously your theory?

Vilda could have chosen not ot support Rubiales , then he would be safe.

There have been some hinting that the full recording gives a slightly different picture. I can only assume that there is some suggestion of consensual non-consent.

Whether that is true or not, leaving it out there as a possibility seems to be what United are at in order to avoid trouble.

Doesn't apply in this case at all though.

Well no. All the players had absolutely no problem with the kiss evidenced by the video above of them ripping the píss out of Rubiales hours after it happened.

They had no problem until they had.

Again you are forgetting that Vilda left 12 big players, big personalities, big stars at home, club team mates and friends of the players who went and then did the unthinkable, he managed them to a World Cup win without them.

Again this is very little to do with a kiss. But if you want to believe that I won't change your mind.

Makes sense for him to go from fawning over Rubiales to Greenwood.

Unexpected consistency from the poster concerned. We all know his view on women and consent.

You are proving my point for me. You are using hyper emotive language in a case you clearly know very little about.

So it impossible to have a rational discussion based on reality and facts with someone who clearly doesn't want to.

 Do you think that any company who holds someone associated with them to account is only doing it because they are 'woke' or being manipulated in to acting that way? Do you not think that people who work in companies are not capable of having moral standards themselves? Or do you think that any moral standard is noting more than being 'woke'?

Again this is so frustrating, if you are going to have such fervent views on a topic at least research it or actually read what people you are actively engaging with tell you.

Here is the actual official club statement.

Richard Arnold's open letter to Manchester United fans

Richard Arnold is the CEO of Manchester United:

Dear fans,

Now that we have concluded and announced the outcome of the club's investigation into Mason Greenwood, I want to be direct and transparent with our fans about the process and the reasons for our decision.

This was an internal disciplinary investigation between employer and employee which would ordinarily take place outside of the public eye. Given the public nature of the allegations and Mason's profile, I acknowledge that this was not an ordinary situation, but I felt it important that we still follow due process and, so far as possible, avoid media comment until I had made a definitive decision.

When audio footage and imagery was posted online in January 2022, my feelings were of shock and concern for the alleged victim. Her welfare, wishes and perspective have been central to the club's approach ever since, as have the club's standards and values. While we immediately concluded that Mason should be suspended pending investigation, we were also conscious of our duty of care towards him and the importance of making a decision based on full information. Until February this year, this was a matter for the police and the Crown Prosecution Service. It was only when charges were dropped that the club discussed the allegations with Mason and others involved in the case.

Our investigation sought to collate as much evidence as possible to establish facts and context. This was not a quick or straightforward process for a variety of reasons. It was essential for us to respect the rights and wishes of the alleged victim. Also, we have limited powers of investigation which meant we were reliant on third party cooperation. Timings have also been influenced by my desire to minimise the impact of the investigation on our men's and women's teams, as well as our Lionesses. I acknowledge that this gave more time for speculation, but the alternative would have been to compromise due process or create untimely disruption.

While we were unable to access certain evidence for reasons we respect, the evidence we did collate led us to conclude that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with. I am restricted as to what I can say for legal reasons, including the alleged victim's ongoing right to anonymity, but I am able to share the following with you which should give you some insight into the complexity of this case.

• The alleged victim requested the police to drop their investigation in April 2022.

• We were provided with alternative explanations for the audio recording, which was a short excerpt from a much longer recording, and for the images posted online.

• The alleged victim's family participated in the process and were given the opportunity to review and correct our factual findings.

Last week the media reported that we had decided to reintegrate Mason and that elements of a plan to do so had been leaked to them. Reintegration was one of the outcomes we considered and planned for. For context, over the course of the past six months several outcomes have been contemplated and planned for, and my view has evolved as our process progressed. While the ultimate decision rested with me, I was taking various factors and views into account right up until the point of finalising my decision.

While I am satisfied that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with, Mason's accepted that he has made mistakes which he takes responsibility for. I am also mindful of the challenge that Mason would face rebuilding his career and raising a baby together with his partner in the harsh spotlight of Manchester United. Further, this case has provoked strong opinions, and it is my responsibility to minimise any distraction to the unity we are seeking within the club.

Although we have decided that Mason will seek to rebuild his career away from Manchester United, that does not signal the end of this matter. The club will continue to offer its support both to the alleged victim and Mason to help them rebuild and move forward positively with their lives.

Thank you for your continued support.

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So basically by their own investigation he didn't do what he was accused of doing but that lady who does maths on the telly wants his head on pike so it must be done.