Applegreen own brand chargers

Huh? That's akin to complaining that you can't buy Texaco petrol from a Applegreen forecourt, surely?

Not exactly as the product is the same, electricity, but the payment method is different.

It would be more akin to not allowing certain fuel cards on publicly owned forecourts or forcing you to use a particular credit card and not allowing you to pay by visa or mastercard.

They may very well have the exclusive contract but what is in that contract will determine if they have the right to kick ESB, or indeed Tesla, out of the forecourts or not. That's likely what the competition regulator is going to look at.

Did he complain that the they only have Applegreen fuel pumps too?

Looks like the 2nd unit with the CHAdeMO plug in Paulstown has been removed…

Jesus the knives are really out for CHAdeMO lately!!! Almost feel sorry for the Leaf drivers!!

Are we 100% sure that there were two Chademo plugs onsite at Paulstown? Looking back at the data here I don't see any indication that AG ever had two...?

So they have also reduced the CCS plug availability by 1/3rd? That's maddening

I see circle k have a charger on that motorway also, wonder if that has had any influence on the decision

Ok, understood!

So are we saying that the whole charger (with CCS and Chademo) has been removed or just the Chademo head?

That's certainly possible but they only have a handful of sites in the country, we surely would have heard of a site going down if it happened recently

Maybe they are just looking at the numbers... and the numbers might not be stacking up for CHAdeMO anymore!! Unlike eCars, Applegreen aren't in it to provide the service, they are in it to make money!! Though even eCars have been removing CHAdeMO lately in favour of CCS only sites!! So maybe even they are seeing it now in a commercial sense?

I reckon that site goes single unit with dual CCS for the time being, and if/when they see usage increasing along with evidence of queuing.. (even the staff in their stores could report EV queuing to keep it simple..) they'll stick in another dual CCS unit beside it as ultimately thats where the money will be.

Double post, and I didn't know cats had CCS ports now 😉😂

I think the first part of your post is on the money.

The second part is hopefully also true but is reliant on AG giving a **** about EV charging

I think they care more about making money and from an cost return point of view CCS is better

The more kWh you sell the more money you make, so faster charging cars are more profitable

The vast majority of Chademo cars are limited to 50kW, whereas a lot of CCS cars now will reliably go higher

So it makes commercial sense to install more CCS plugs

Good economics, but sucks for Leaf owners. I wonder if Nissan dealerships are informing potential customers that their fast charging network is now shrinking 🤔

As for moving the existing unit, Applegreen definitely seem to be favouring speed of deployment over size of hubs so the unit that was removed will probably pop up somewhere else soon

Or maybe it was just broken and needed to go back for repair, we'll just have to wait and see

If they stopped for a charge more often that would be reflected in the Chademo charging stats. But it's not. I don't know why you keep bringing this redundant point up.

So you're saying leafs don't stop to charge more often? Because that's certainly not my experience haha!

Also according to ecars-stats.com/ the station at Obama Plaza had 23.84hrs of chademo used daily while the CCS had 24.88 hours daily (across the 8 stations)

Yeah the writing has been on the wall for around 5 years I'd say, it's criminal that Nissan didn't change over to CCS with the 40kWh Leaf

From Facebook

In case anyone else had the same issues with the Applegreen App not showing charging points that are right in front of you, here’s how to ensure you can see all charging points on the island of Ireland.

Background: the new Applegreen app requires a separate “plan” for UK and ROI. Without it, you won’t see any chargers listed in the territory.

I contacted customer support and was able to solve the issue. To save you the trouble, here’s what you have to do.

Go to Account. Then under Billing Contracts, there’s a hard to see link “Add plan”. Click on that. Then you should be able to add whichever of the two plans you are missing.

It's fine. I'm sure the warning is for any possible future plan where there could be a monthly subscription in exchange for a lower unit rate, like ESB have as an option. AG don't currently have one like that, just the one with €0 monthly subscription.

I picked Obama as it has 8 chargers that can charge any car, J14 only has 3 chademo plugs there, 1 dedicated, 2 shared vs 5 dedicated CCS so the effect of leafs queuing etc would be minimal

Even still, are even 10% of cars on the road chademo? Yet they occupy 28% of the time, at that station

Good point I'll admit

I'd like to see some national stats if there are any available

yes, you can 'tap to pay' , however they place a €30 hold on your card, and it might take a few days to return... so if you are happy with that set up (€30 pre auth for each charging session), then yes, go ahead...

I've used Applegreen 3 times this year, but still have the app... set it up, and then leave it till you need it.

My leaf - a 2011 - has about 14-14.5kWh of usable energy depending on its mood. Now it still takes half an hour to go 20-80%, but in that time I may have taken 10kWh on board. Assuming its a 200kW unit, if I were on it for that same 30 minutes in my Tesla, I could have taken 40kWh. That's 4 times the revenue, for the same utilisation factor. I do all my local trips in my leaf, it's in action at least 2-3 times a week. But I have only fast charged twice since I got it, and that was on the way home from Merlins. People arent taking leafs on road trips and fast charging. We do however take our Tesla and herselfs Ora on road trips, both of which if fast charging charge at speeds exponentially faster (and thus pay for more energy in the same time) than my poor old leaf.

If I were a commercial charging company, obviously less load factor is bad, and any energy sold is good, but if cost is a factor, who would I optimise my ssystem for, the guy that will take 40kWh in half an hour or the guy that may get to 10kWh in that half hour.

PS:: on the local - to me - AG charger in gorey they have no chademo and 2 CCS plugs.

To be fair they don't even have a charger listed for Enflied 😉

Sorry, couldn't resist when I spotted that 🤣

I agree, they really need to get a move on with installing additional chargers at some of the sites

They seem to be spreading the existing units thinner across more sites, given the second unit was removed from Paulstown recently

So AG seem to be prioritising number of sites over quality of each individual site

What's that saying, "never mind the quality, look at the width"

I wonder is there a long lead time for procurement or something, can't imagine there's any shortage of demand for EV chargers at the moment

This unfortunately looks like the same trap that Ecars fell into and got stuck with a bunch of sites with 1 units

I'm starting to be a bit more forgiving of Circle K, Maxol, SSE and Ionity with their slower rollout but they're going to multiple HPCs per site generally

Even Ecars are doing better than that lately, although I'm sure they'll do an absolute cluster f**k of a site to make up for it soon