Cork library staff being abused and intimidated over LGBT+ books

Exactly. They are available with parental consent.

This isn't about books or concern for children at all. It's a campaign of homophobic and transphobic hatred.

Someone aallegedly beaten by these people in Leitrim yesterday for hanging up a pride flag

I was just thinking the other day, granted the far right loons should be locked up based on what I've seen of them on social media. But there's a separate issue here. There are many people who are not loons who would be uncomfortable with such content in teen books, rightly or wrongly, and I've been thinking about why that is.

Basically, modern society has decided at some point (perhaps around the 19th century) that nudity = sex and that children ought to be shielded from both to the point that children don't actually know sex exists or what it is exactly, or they are unaware of what the body of the opposite sex looks like. I was quite ignorant of these matters until I was about 10 or 11, it was back when the internet was not easily accessed and had very little content anyway.

I'm not sure why exactly modern society wants children in the dark on these matters while on everything else we generally say 'knowledge is power'. When you ask people who are extremely opposed to telling kids what sex is or letting them see nudity, the answers they give often include the word 'innocence' and really what it boils down to is; 'we don't tell kids these things to protect them from pedos'.

You might say fair enough, if it keeps them safe from pedos, but does it? Whenever we see interviews with people who have survived child sexual abuse, the one thing that they all seem to say is "I didn't understand what was happening, I didn't know it was wrong, I thought this was normal" etc. It seems to me from an objective point of view that hiding these topics from kids actually creates opportunities for sexual predators to exploit children. I think it's more about adult victorian era embarrassment than about protecting children.

Kids are smarter than adults seem to want accept and in any case they are learning about these things from hardcore pornography from their smart devices some of which is now even AI generated. The 'concerned' parents lot seem to think some basic free parental lock app will block someone born in the smart phone era from secretly viewing such material, and they'll get to deny the existence of sex for another few years. Pointless really, adults should be answering questions honestly from as early as they are asked like they would on any other topic, knowledge is still power.

There are various other aspects too.

The political aspect is about creating fear of lgbt people and basically abusing lgbt people in order to promote themselves. Its about creating fear of lgbt people to create their own political hegemony.

There is also a sort of conservative nationalistic othering involved too. It's in a way saying that you can't be Irish and trans. It's denying that trans people exist.

It's also about aping and copying other far right movements in UK and US. Ironically there is a lot said about so called trans ideology imported from US when this is about the importation of the ideological hatred of trans people from the UK and the US.

The myths too this is all about protecting women and children are absurd when we can clearly see the leaders of this movement have been repeatedly violent towards women.

Because some of them are transgender.

There isn't really contradictions in law though. Law recognises that some people may choose to identify as male or female gender different to the gender assigned at birth. No contradiction there. Why wouldn't you want people knowing about how the law works.

Hardly a very diplomatic debate if the same person who first started this 'discussion' is also the moderator who gets to decide what posts stay in the conversation, and which comments get deleted from the thread . . There's bound to be issues with bias in such a scenario is there not? 🤔

The library protesters are violent thugs who dont actually give a fùck about women and children as claimed. Trans people exist. End of story really.

Hey, let's intimidate the guy in the wheelchair, said no decent person ever.

looking for definitive video evidence in the world of AI!

Complete ******

Have you seen the Ballinspittle moving statues AI version

I didn't really see anything in those videos that is particularly threatening. Some words said might be a bit strong but it doesn't match at all with some of the sentiments in here which suggested it was like the capital hill riots. They're entitled to have strong opinions because I think their main argument that this book should not be accessible to any kids is the correct, regardless of what some parents might think.

What exactly is the problem with the book? I've heard a few things about it and if any of it is true I don't think it should be accessible. But I'm trying to figure out what is fact and what is fiction? It's not like I have a copy of the book to check it.

The people who are defending it are basically saying that it's not freely available to kids without parental consent. However I think any adult who gives that book or consents to a kid under 16 reading it is close to child abuse. Is it grooming? I wouldn't go that far. I think giving kids some of that information is dangerous and makes them more vulnerable to abusers as they may think certain actions are normal, even for their age group. That's basically why I am sympathetic to protests because I think nobody under 16 should be allowed to get that sort of material, especially from a public institution.

An interesting point of view. So the big question is WHY do you think withholding this information protects children from predators? I've seen many interviews with abuse survivors and the only thing they all seem to have in common is that they say they were innocent, they didn't understand what was happening or they assumed this must be normal. Surely informing them early that these are sexual acts and there are age of consent laws is empowering them to protect themselves.

As an aside, are you seriously suggesting that there are 16 year olds in this country who do not already know what a blow job is?

The idea that young adults shouldn't get sex education because they might get abused if things are honestly explained to them is frankly off the wall bizarre nonsense. In fact its the very opposite - keeping them uneducated and ignorant means they will not fully understand what's going on and likely to pick up their information/education from pornography sites.

This is completely all about censorship and denying young people proper education and it is very much anti lgbt bigotry as noone says a thing about other sex education books.

There was a post on this in CA recently where a person was explaining that he learnt in his youth all about what gay relationships might look like from porn sites and this ended up with him having a very skewed and messed up attitude to relationships.

That is the result of this desire for censorship; hiding away information and attitudes about healthy and positive relationships and leaving people to inform themselves in many negative ways.

There is no hard-core company mantra. Merely highlighting extremist violent anti lgbt hatred.

The books are educational.

Violent groups with extremist anti lgbt and anti youth education agendas are campaigning to censor and remove them.

This is absolutely an anti lgbt campaign based on homophobic/transphobic hatred. Using disgusting shameful bigoted language and slurs about child abuse show this. There is also no attempts to remove or censor general sex education books only lgbt ones.

The main agitators have shown they are all violent thugs and are all also linked to other far right racist violent movements too.