Spain - Women World Cup Champions - 1 week later. (How not to manage a crises)

Lacks context. Dishonest and low grade posting.

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Original posts not included, no context.

Again dishonest.

Please stop.

Hermoso joining the prosecution is a strawman piece. The issue isn't whether the unwanted kiss amounted to sexual assault or not. The bigger issues are what happened afterwards, the attempts to coerce a joint statement, the declaration that she consented when she said she did not, the threats to sue and more, the attempts to portray her immediate reactions as implied consent etc. etc. Those things are symptomatic of a misogynist culture pervading the Spanish FA. Firing the President and the coach should only be the start of what happens.

Going back to the kiss, at the very least it was sexual harrassment, which is an employment matter (hence the FIFA intervention) not necessarily a criminal one. A decision not to proceed with a criminal case is not an absolution for Rubiales. In fact, if Hermoso declines to join the prosecution because of the mental strain imposed on her by the way that he has responded, that would be another black mark against him.

The issue isn't whether the unwanted kiss amounted to sexual assault or not.

I imagine it is an issue for Rubiales to be fair.

Why would Vilda quit?

That would be a monumentally stupid thing to do.

It is probably an issue for him insofar as him wanting to stay out of jail, but insofar as him wanting to stay in his job, he has an awful lot of bigger issues.

When his whole staff quit from under him he had to make a decision. Continue to stay on and thus support Rubiales or quit in solidarity with his staff. By not quitting and then publicly going against Rubiales he tried to play both sides but that doesn't seem to be working out well for him.

On the question of stupidity, do you think Rubiales has acted monumentally stupid this week?

When his whole staff quit from under him he had to make a decision. Continue to stay on and thus support Rubiales or quit in solidarity with his staff. By not quitting and then publicly going against Rubiales he tried to play both sides but that doesn't seem to be working out well for him.

Hang on, I thought peoples perception of events were allowed change or evolve on reflection?

I can show you a video of a whole bus full of people who did just that.

Vilda doesn't get that benefit? Interesting.

No actual player has quit, they are on strike. Maybe if Vilda says he will go on strike too?

On the question of stupidity, do you think Rubiales has acted monumentally stupid this week?

Once the Spanish Government Ministers started calling for criminal proceedings the whole even firmly entered clown town and has not returned.

Interestingly UEFA have been the only measured authority through out all this, asking for due process.

I wonder what they know.

Huh?

What employee made a criminal determination?

Criminal liability are made by the courts (and online mobs), the decision to prosecute in England is made by the Crown Prosecution Service.

The CPS in this case dropped all charges. Therefore no criminal liability exists.

Sorry, that should read employer. United made the determination that Greenwood didn't commit that acts, which is ludicrous, given they are not at all impartial.

There is no criminal liability. Repeating it won't make it so.

You can see even from this thread alone why he wants it to go to a proper court instead of the kangaroo court that is the internet.

At this point if he resigns the rest of his life he is going to presumed guilty of all sorts of shenanigans. At least if he gets it into the court room proper evidence of his misdeeds and accurate reports of what he said she said etc have to come out.

How many times does it have to be said that the issue that Rubiales faces is not one of a criminal nature.

Sexual harrassment is not necessarily a crime, threatening to sue an accuser is not necessarily a crime, claiming that a woman consented when she said she did not is not necessarily a crime (if it is was, rape convictions would be at 100% rather than 1%), clutching your crotch in public is not necessarily a crime, etc.

If this gets as far as a courtroom, Rubiales is doomed, but he is doomed regardless because his actions are those of a clownish, misogynistic, bullying buffoon.

Would be pretty sure there is an agreement in place between United and Greenwoods over the wording of Uniteds statement designed to enable a path to employment at a future club.

Well yeah, they said it in their statement that will actively help him find a new club and keep supporting his family.

So far no one has came in with a concrete offer.

Again, United don't make "criminal determinations".

That's a courts remit.

United as a employer had to determine if he committed gross misconduct. Or whatever the equivalent wording would be contained in his contract.

They determined he didn't.

How do you suppose they determine that unless they investigate it?

Or do you think there should have been no club enquiry and he should just been reinstated immediately after the CPS dropped the charges?