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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,762 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    We’ve been hearing that about Sexton for years now. I hope it isn’t the case for the RWC because neither Byrne nor Crowley are leading us to anything special.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Going back to this, I have Byrne for 4 missed tackles, 3 completed (one of those missed tackles might be a bit harsh, made shoulder contact, bounced off, and then the carrier was brought down by a second tackler a second later).

    Did this quickly while on a lunch break so if anyone wants to do the Crowley equivalent value for the content, then work away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭TRC10


    That's all you ever get from Akrasia. The guy is incapable of any objectivity. It's just Munster good, Leinster bad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,379 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    There's an obvious solution.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Also, I think Akrasia, and the rest of the disciples of Three Red Kings, need reminding that the H Cup final and URC final weren't the only two games of rugby that happened last season.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Let's be honest. The starting Irish team is pretty much the Leinster team. The desperation of some posters and tweeters to make Crowley the saviour or linchpin of the team is just to soothe some hurt feelings.

    It's an improvement over that chap in the Munster thread who was going to shout for South Africa for starting Munster players, but it is still tiresome as hell to read. Usually it takes a loss for the fan base to go to war - hopefully everyone is just getting it out of their system.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    MOD: folks, attack the post not the poster is the most basic of rules



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    He may have started those games in Nz and the 6 nations but he has been injured ever since.

    You also left out last November's Internationals. Where he only started one game and was injured for the other 2 and maybe forgot that he didn't manage to start any champions cup games for Leinster last season due to injury.

    I just think Ireland are going to a second world cup in a row with an "undropable" captain who is past his best.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Are world rugby spending anything on advertising?

    Not sure I’ve seen or heard a single ad or promotion for the RWC on tv or radio at all

    It’s next week and there’s hardly any buzz built up about it, you’d see much more for the 6N



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    Have you tried turning adblock off and on again?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He is past his best, but he is still, when fit to play, significantly better than both our other options and most other flyhalves in the world. As demonstrated during the 6N and by the fact he was nominated for WPOTY.

    If his leg falls off he won't play, otherwise of course he will because he is still one of the best 10s in the world.

    And yes, he missed a number of games because a 20 stone prop fell on his groin. Not sure that means anything in the grand scheme of things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,840 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot



    I'm the same. Its almost a case of: If he stands he starts.

    Most of us were skeptical that he could last to his WC. It was the gamble and we are about to find out if it wins big.

    He has to start v Romania and SA and every KO game.

    Farrells next gamble is Sexton, Byrne or Crowley v Tonga. I feel he has to back Crowley and hopefully he will prove his worth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Yeah, dropping your team captain mid-tournament will definitely fit into the way Faz has run things while in charge.


    Barring injury, there's no way Crowley will start ahead of Sexton. Any thinking otherwise is absurd wish-casting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Must love hardship




  • Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    At least we have a Sexton in the squad.

    England missing Farrell (temporarily) so initially Ford or Smith

    France missing Ntamack so Jalibert & Hastoy

    South Africa missing Pollard (although I feel he's only a rub of the ol' magic sponge away) so Libbok & Willemse

    Scotland without Weir or Hastings so Russell & Healy

    Argentina with Carreras & Sanchez

    New Zealand probably best placed with BB, DMcK & Richie



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sexton obviously might get injured, but he has played in 4, 4, 5, 5 of the last 6N. He has missed 2 games in 20 and one of those was against Italy were he might have been risked if it was a more important game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭ersatz


    It was noticeable how SA brought a lot of pace to the game against the ABs, a marked difference to how they were playing last year when slowing the game down, taking a knee etc seemed to be their preferred strategy. On Friday it was go go go, short rucks, FaF box kicks and a fluid combination of muscular carries and speed from the backs. The ABs couldn't take a breath which resulted in lots of mistakes and cards for them. It's not unlike how Ireland play and that matchup could be a wild gunfight as a result. Can Ireland slow that SA offense?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    A half fit Johnny is still one of the best if not the best fly half in the world at the mo and come the end of this WC, his chapter in Irish Rugby will close. No matter what happens over the next 8 weeks he’ll hang up his boots as Irelands greatest ever player and be talked about as one of the all time great 10’s, up there in the same conversation as Johnny Wilkinson, Dan Carter, Andy Goode etc… so let’s sit back and enjoy it because we may never see the likes of him again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Contrasting end to the season is an interesting way to look at Crowley starting at 10 when Munster were embarrassed out of their priority competition against a poor Sharks side while Byrne led Leinster to the final of that competition



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    they are the two most important games though.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Have you ever seen FIFA run any advertisements for a football World Cup?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Mod: There’s been enough warnings at this point, folks.

    Any more provincial BS, accusations of bias, attacking posters (whether directly or indirectly) or any other nonsense is going to result in a Threadban.

    The calibre of discussion here needs to improve across the board.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Aside from anything else, it's highly debatable that Europe was Munster's priority competition last season.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Be that as it may, there is a difference between not prioritising a competition, putting out a complete shadow XV and losing by one point and not prioritising a competition, putting out close to a first choice team and losing by 15 while conceding 50.

    Munster had an excellent last 3 (or even 5) games in the URC. Let's not pretend they were not all over the place before then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Can you point to any evidence to support the 'debate' that Munster's priority was the URC?

    Can't remember one Champions Cup match where they didn't put out their strongest side, definitely none where they rested starters so they would be fresh for the URC.

    Being far, far more likely to win the URC doesn't make it the priority.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Munster had an excellent last 3 (or even 5) games in the URC. Let's not pretend they were not all over the place before then.

    I don't think I did, to be fair.

    But since the origin of this conversation was about Crowley, it's worth pointing out that run of good form you mention coincided with Jack Crowley being handed the starting 10 jersey for the first time for a good number of consecutive games.

    I don't think that's a coincidence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,762 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Had Frawley converted that missed kick then Munster would have lost that game and it would have been another SF exit to Leinster, only this time a second string Leinster. The narrative then would have been very different. The narrative then would have been Munster, with Crowley at 10, failing in the knock outs of both competitions against sides they probably should have beaten. Frawley missing that had nothing to do with Crowley. So I think you’re putting more on Crowleys shoulders here than is warranted tbh.

    And I don’t want this to sound like I’m running the guy down. That’s not what I’m trying to do. But the hype machine is in serious overdrive here, just like other 10s from a certain other province, and it could use a bit of calming down.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    It's entirely possible for the URC to be the priority while still fielding your strongest side in Europe.



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