Spain - Women World Cup Champions - 1 week later. (How not to manage a crises)

If this gets as far as a courtroom, Rubiales is doomed

Why?

A Jury would be made up of people across a wide spectrum of society that have to determine innocent or guilt on the facts presented to them.

Gross misconduct in not an easy bar. What happened, happened in private and the alleged victim has pulled out of the case. They would not have been able to invalidate the contract based on what was in the public domain. So once they changed their mind from reinstating to no longer playing the player they had to have a format of words that would not have implied a finding of culpability.

Gross misconduct in not an easy bar. What happened, happened in private.

What happened was recorded.

So once they changed their mind from reinstating to no longer playing the player they had to have a format of words that would not have implied a finding of culpability.

I imagine the format of words would have been consistent in either scenario, no?

i.e. he didn't do what he was originally charged with doing.

It was untenable in the right thinking mind, but in law? They had no grounds to dismiss once there was no prosecution and no other evidence

Plus the pictures of the smiling Hermoso with her mobile laughing on the bus has muddied the water somewhat.

In my cynical mind someone in the Spanish FA 'got' to the girls. Sees it has a opportunity as a good way to oust Ruibales And everything else is just a smokescreen. i see it as an internal Spanish FA power struggle. With this incident being a means to an end.

How united conducted the investigation of the extremely talented player they really wanted to keep was up to themselves

United are worth about a reported 6-8 billion. That's a real money, not share price nonsense.

I could name probably 15-20 young players of talent akin to Greenwood in the past 15-20 years off the top of my head, none of which made it at United.

Bit of critical thinking required for this one.

United negotiate multi billion euro commercial deals and are currently in the middle of an astronomical priced buyout, the biggest ever in terms of football.

Why would Arnold potentially put any of that risk given the public perception for a player who statistically was not going to make it at United.

Why would he put his reputation at risk?

The reality is and I have a lot of sympathy for Arnold on this, he had to make a decision and explain a decisions whilst being precluded from releasing any details on how he came to that decision.

The narrative that they just really really wanted him so they tailored an investigation just so they could keep him is dangerously stupid in the extreme.

The easiest thing for United to do it terms of what was best for the club in terms of perception and financially was to find him guilty of gross misconduct and terminate his contract.

So some shadowy persons got at the 81 players to have them all decide not to play for Spain under Rubiales. Perhaps we should wait for more information to come out before leaping to wild conspiracy theories.

That's why I used the word reported based on an actual reported bid.

It's been reported the Americans want 8 billion. Your link suggest 6.

Therefore we get my statement of "United are worth about a reported 6-8 billion"

There is a bit of critical thinking required on this one. Let's see if you're up for it.

"A player who was not going to statistically make it'. He's played 83 times for United's first team. Does that not constitute making it? If not, what exactly is thr criteria for making it. Also, do name the 15-20 young players who played 80+ games for United and who never "made it" too.

You mention risk and why would Arnold risk any commercial deals or the selling of the club for Greenwood. Sorry, but when did Arnokd do that? As United have announced, they are not going to retain Greenwood so Arnold never placed any risk on those deals. Now United and Arnold did try and get Greenwood back in to the team while hoping none of those commercial deals would be impacted but that failed, so they then decided to get rid.

What United wanted to do was to get Greenwood back playing for the club, when they couldn't do that without it causing a financial risk they got rid of him.

Who defines "sexual harassment"?

Sexual Assault is most definitely a crime in Spain.

I see no link between players benefiting from the situation and the FA head actually causing the situation. This event doesn't need a shadowy puppet master to orchestrate it, Rubiales just made a number of unfortunate decisions since the event to tank his career.

So Rubiales lied about their team mate, released a statement claiming she supported his statement and then threatened her and now they don't want to play under someone like that you believe that is not primary reason for wanting to get rid of him, but instead they are doing it for money?

You seem to have a very low opinion of these women.

Catch me up, here: are folks actually pressing for prosecution, conviction and possible jail for this kiss?

I think the player, albeit not happy with his forced kissing, doesn’t feel in any way hurt about it.

Sacked is not what I was wondering on, really. I’d have little issue with his sacking. I was wondering about folks thinking he should be criminally prosecuted for his kiss.