Double yellow lines for taxi pick-up

ARX · 28-08-2023 10:15am

Given that it's apparently illegal for a taxi driver to stop on double yellow lines to pick up or set down passengers, how is a bus driver supposed to stop at this bus stop on Barnhill Road in Dalkey without breaking the law? It seems that stopping there would involve a breach of the parking regulations:

( d ) on a section of roadway with less than 3 traffic lanes and where traffic sign number RRM 001 [continuous white line] has been provided;

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Seth Brundle · 28-08-2023 10:56am

If you look at the full text wihtin that section, it makes provision for a bus stop and ...

36 Prohibitions on Parking

36. (1) Save as otherwise provided for in these Regulations and subject to article 5, a vehicle shall not be parked on a public road at a location, in a manner or for a purpose referred to in this article.

(2) A vehicle shall not be parked—

( a ) on that side of a section of roadway along the edge of which traffic sign number RRM 008 [double yellow lines] has been provided;

( b ) on a section of roadway where traffic sign number RUS 019 [No Parking sign] has been provided, during the period indicated on the information plate accompanying such traffic sign;

( c ) within 5 metres of a road junction;

( d ) on a section of roadway with less than 3 traffic lanes and where traffic sign number RRM 001 [continuous white line] has been provided;

( e ) on a section of roadway where traffic sign number RUS 020, in association with RRM 029 [appointed stand], has been placed to indicate that an appointed stand has been provided;

( f ) in any place, position or manner that will result in the vehicle obstructing, delaying or interfering with the entrance to or exit from a fire brigade station, an ambulance station or a Garda station;

( g ) in any place, position or manner that will result in the vehicle obstructing an entrance or an exit for vehicles to or from a premises, save with the consent of the occupier of such premises;

( h ) within 15 metres (on the approach side) or 5 metres (on the side other than the approach side) of a section of roadway where any of the following traffic signs have been provided—

(i) traffic sign number RPC 001 [Pedestrian Crossing];

(ii) traffic sign number RPC 002 [Pedestrian Crossing Complex]; or

(iii) traffic sign numbers RTS 00I, RTS 002, RTS 003 or RTS 004 [traffic lights];

( i ) on a footway, a grass margin or a median strip;

( j ) on a part of a roadway which is a casual trading area, during hours of trading, unless the vehicle is for the time being in use for the purposes of casual trading;

( k ) in a manner in which it will interfere with the normal flow of traffic or which obstructs or endangers other traffic;

( l ) where traffic sign RUS 031 [bus stop] or RRM 030 [stopping place or stand] has been provided unless the vehicle is an omnibus.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print#article36

ARX · 28-08-2023 11:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121037214#Comment_121037214

That is a prohibition on parking any vehicle other than an omnibus at a bus stop. It's not an exemption for omnibuses from the preceding prohibitions.

Potential-Monke · 30-08-2023 10:22pm

A: It's not apparantly illegal, it is illegal.

B: I'd imagine he'd indicate left on time, slow down, pull in and pick up the passengers. No laws broken there. No yellow lines. Traffic behind should wait because you can't overtake (and drivers behind wouldn't see that it's right at a junction, a different conversation to be had there). Specific legislation allows buses to stop at bus stops, ie: 36(l) - that does exempt it, it says as much.

Yeah, it's a stupid place for a bus stop. The only suggestion I could have to improve it is to make that whole road one way, with a bus lane and regular lane. But I don't know the area so not sure how workable that would be. I'd imagine the locals probably wouldn't be too happy, depending on how much of a loop it would cause. This is a side effect of bad planning.

Peregrinus · 31-08-2023 6:17am

No, I think there is a legal problem. There's a continuous white line on the road and it's a two-lane road, so parking is prohibited by reg.36(2)(d). There's no exemption for buses there.

Normally Dublin Bus and the local authority consult on the location of bus stops, and one of the purposes of the consultation is to ensure that the bus stop and the traffic signs/markings are correctly aligned. It looks like they're not aligned here. The technical term for this is a cock-up.

31-08-2023 9:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121049224#Comment_121049224

Specific legislation allows buses to stop at bus stops, ie: 36(l) - that does exempt it, it says as much.

That's not an exemption:

A vehicle shall not be parked... where traffic sign RUS 031 [bus stop] or RRM 030 [stopping place or stand] has been provided unless the vehicle is an omnibus.

That just says a vehicle can't park at a bustop unless it's a bus. It doesn't say that a bus can always park there, regardless of other prohibitions. Unless there's some specific by-law in operation, it would be illegal for a bus to stop there

Potential-Monke · 31-08-2023 11:41pm

You're making an issue where there is none. Buses are allowed to stop at bus stops. It's literally a stop for buses to drop off and pick up people, and move on.

That law above says no one is allowed to stop there, unless it's a bus...

Peregrinus · 01-09-2023 3:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121054176#Comment_121054176

The law also says that nobody is allowed to stop on a two-lane road with a single white line. And there's no "unless it's a bus" in that provision.

Potential-Monke · 01-09-2023 5:43am

I give up. You're right.

Double yellow lines for taxi pick-up

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