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Ex Leader of The Proud Boys off to the slammer.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 IlovemybrickFC


    Good thing too - I’m all for protesting government but that was bloody stupid and I’ve no doubt more people would have been killed but for brave law enforcement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    I think we'd be in a better place if all communications with the USA was shut down maybe the Russians will cut the transatlantic cables?

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 22,374 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    What did he do? Article is fairly vague. He sprayed an "irritant" at law enforcement! That could be lemon juice to mustard gas.

    He told some lies.

    Anything else?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭johndoe99


    he's probably hoping Trump will be President again and pardon him.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,005 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,007 ✭✭✭✭Boggles



    He was convicted for being one of the ring leaders.

    Personally I think he should have got 30 years for his defence of we were basically just site seeing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,007 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Trump formed part of his defence.

    The Judge actually used Trumps actions as a mitigating factor in sentencing.

    Which is very interesting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24 IlovemybrickFC


    I didn’t read it - that was seriously the defence?? Madness!!!

    Was that not the same reason the Russians gave when they poisoned people in Salisbury??



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    You must be extremely selective in your reading if that is all you got! The fact that he was the leader of the Proud Boys, encouraged an insurrection, advocated rape and the sexual assault of minors on line.... you missed all that. Stop trying to trivialize this kind of behaviour because when you do you license others to do the same.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The Proud Boys are one sad bunch of bástards, you have to say. They walk about trying to be an insecure 12 year old's idea of a man.




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    The thing I am kind of surprised by is his about turn in the courtroom; tearful, never meant for this to happen, got caught up in the emotions - as if he was just there to do some sight seeing and got caught up in this unintentionally....


    Still though, the ultimate ringleader here was Trump and he'll never be prosecuted for it. Meanwhile, this goon spends 15 years in jail.


    The other interesting thing is this notion that the presidents own security were involved, that Mike Pence refused to co=operate with his own security personnel on the day, as he was fearful they were on the other side.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Boooooooooooooo



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Only sorry he got convicted, nothing more. If you took away the legal jeopardy of what he did, he'd be dining out on stories from that day, or at least trying to do so.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Good riddance. Fascist filth belongs behind bars.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,005 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Absolutely agree.

    There have been quite a few convictions and jail sentences imposed so far and lots more to come.

    That'll soften their cough for um and anyone else thinking of doing something similar in future.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/30/january-6-arrest-sentencing-00099158

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭briany


    A good number of the insurrectionists will retain their beliefs while in prison. They may even intensify as thoughts stew around in their minds while sitting in their cells. We know this from examples such as Donald Trump himself 'recording' a single with convicted supporters as they sing an eerie rendition of the US national anthem down the phone. The so-called "Q Shaman" has certainly not renounced his worldview and right after leaving prison has been given interviews in full garb, though the head dress he now wears is a replica, with the original still confiscated.

    But that isn't to make an argument against jailing them. It's just to say that it's not going to knock the crazy out of them. Far more important to make society in general move on from the susceptibility to all their nonsense rather than doing anything with these individuals.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm inclined to agree with Briany. These people did what they did because of their cultish devotion to Trump, a man who sacrifice all of them for a dollar. They may soften a little bit but they're not going to repent. In prison, they're likely to associate with each other, reinforcing their Q-based worldviews. Being imprisoned will breed in them a sense of victimhood and that the elite was determined to get rid of them.

    Sadly, with America's polarised and toxic political culture, they're here to stay. It's possible that some of them will cop on a bit after a spell in the nick but America's prison system is set up for private profit, not rehabilitation.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sadly, with America's polarised and toxic political culture, they're here to stay.

    Just to put this in wider context, hate and anti-government groups in the US have, on the whole, actually decreased in recent years:

    The number of white nationalist, neo-Nazi and anti-government extremist groups across the U.S. fell for a third straight year in 2021, even as some groups were reinvigorated by the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol last year and by the ongoing culture wars over the pandemic and school curriculums.

    In its annual report, released Wednesday, the Southern Poverty Law Center said it identified 733 active hate groups in 2021, down from the 838 counted in 2020 and the 940 counted in 2019. Hate groups had risen to a historic high of 1,021 in 2018, said the law center, which tracks racism, xenophobia and far right militias.

    The number of anti-government groups fell to 488 in 2021, down from 566 in 2020 and 576 in 2019. Such groups peaked at 1,360 in 2012, the year former President Barack Obama was elected to a second term.

    So whilst there is a far-right problem in the United States, the problem was worse in numerical terms a decade ago.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,005 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    I wouldn't expect anyone that was dumb enough to get involved in those riots to come out of any prison rehabilitated. The fact they are going to a prison that is run as a place for punishment rather than rehabilitation is a good thing in my own opinion.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's only going to get worse Ive noticed a slew of ex military and gun youtubers suddenly finding God and wanting to bring America back to strict conservative governments while hinting at running in elections, these guys have access to Bigger and more extreme audiences than most politicians, God , traditional families and 2A ,but they want to take rights from everyone else that doesn't fit their views



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The concept that prison should be for punishment as opposed for rehabilitation has always baffled me. Punishment doesn't solve anything. I think these people should absolutely be held accountable for their actions but merely punishing them solves nothing. They need to be deradicalised and that means specialist psychiatric help which they won't be getting in the US' dysfunctional and perverse prison system.

    I don't want to go into this too much as it's a topic worth its own thread.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭briany


    All you can really say is that they're welcome to their views. They aren't welcome to enact criminal conspiracies, however.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    But historically wasn't egged on by a president so it's substantially different and pretty volatile. You yourself have argued Trump should be pardoned cause his supporters will get violent. When the Nazis and white supremacists view certain politicians as on their side that's a pretty horrifying as a state of affairs. You've even got the likes of MTG who pushes QAnon conspiracies. That's a very different political landscape to ten or twenty years ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,727 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't think you can get around the problem of the person having to want to be helped. This is probably a total misconception, but I picture the deradicalisation process as something akin to Goodwill Hunting where it's a lot of informal chats with a chummy oversharing professor about every subject under the sun, until the subject eventually realises that there is so much more to life than hate and fear.

    Whatever the actual process, if it doesn't seem to the subject like it's their own idea to turn their back on their old views, then it's impossible to know if it's only lip service being paid to the process.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 22,374 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    A lot of people were there. What specifically did this guy do?

    Fair enough. Seems like a long sentence though. I doubt he would have seen any prison time if that happened over here.

    Is it something specific he did to warrant 15 years or just over all involvement/ring leader?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,005 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    It's in the first sentence of the article I linked.

    If you think I'm going to spell it out for you then you are trolling the wrong person.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 22,374 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    No mention at all in that article of rape and sexual assault of minors??🙄

    What am I trivialising?😁 I never heard of the guy and asked what he did to deserve the sentence. How is that trivialising anything? It is hardly the best written article of all time



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 22,374 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    If you don't want to discuss it then why start the thread?

    The first line of the article is "A former leader of the far-right Proud Boys extremist group has been sentenced to 15 years in prison for spearheading an attack on the US Capitol to try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden after the 2020 presidential election."

    That could mean anything from running from the front lopping off heads with an axe to having a vague association with the organisation of the event. We are talking about the US here remember where justice is not really a thing.

    Very touchy group here.


    Down with him he should have gotten the chair!!! Is that better? 🙄



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