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Farming Youtubers

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    Farming 3/4 units under a company unbrella with 10+ employees can hardly be called a family farm can it?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Very difficult to define 'family farm'. And that's before you get to what the wider public consider 'farming' versus 'factory farming'.

    Had a man delivering heating oil recently and he told me he watches my YouTube channel.

    "Thanks very much", I said.

    "Ah yeah", he says, "What you show is real farming, proper farming from years ago. All that big modern stuff is not real farming. That's factory farming."

    I didn't know whether to take it as a compliment or an insult. And I thought it best not to point out that selling imported oil is not "proper" heating from years ago either.

    You'd wonder where some people think food comes from. Or oil for that matter.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭youllbemine


    If he has two units/farms and 4 employees is it a family farm? What about one unit with 2 employees?

    The term ‘family farm’ should be abolished as it’s too subjective. People say it as if it’s a unique term to differentiate from the factory farms. But I’d imagine 95% of the farms in Ireland are owned and run by one person so hardly need differentiating from factory farms.

    Are pig and poultry factory farms?

    At what point does a family farm become a factory farm?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    Well if I was farming with a family member and 1/2 employees you could still consider it a family farm even if you’re getting into big numbers but how could you still call it a family farm if after that I decided to rent 2/3 more units and employ a manager on each of them, probably another full time employee on each also and a roster of relief Milkers to cover aswell. That is a company not a family farm in my eyes, I was going to say business but all farms should be treated as businesses regardless of size.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭youllbemine


    But define big numbers. It’s all too vague and subjective. Maybe someone with a similar set up could run it with all family members. Is that a family farm then? Or is hired labour the issue? What about contractors doing all the work on a tillage farm and farmer doing frig all? I’m being pedantic I know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭Jack98


    One man running a farm with help from parents could manage up to 200 cows if set up correctly and with 1/2 employees 3/400 cows is what I was getting at but as I said when you add units and managers and employees that’s where I would draw the line with family farm. People can agree or disagree with that but that’s my take on it having milked cows for two men with such multiple unit operations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭youllbemine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭Mr..


    Would a family farm be one that operates with the majority of work being done by family members?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,191 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Kieran thanks for all those videos and the time you took to make them. Just watched your latest. I take my hat off to you ..I just wouldn't have the nerve to do them. I understand you not having time we could all do with that 'pallet' that father Phil is expecting anyday.

    Looking forward to the resumption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    Worked on a family farm in pigs. The father was the owner and still managed all the breeding and house movements and was well into his 70's. The son was the operator as such looking after staff, meal purchases and slurry applications with a side contracting operation of silage making with McHale balers. Staff employed was one Supervisor on the pig farm and an additional two full time employees, one dealing with the pigging sows and the other mostly cleaning and power washing.

    Spent three years there and for as tough a business as pigs are it was brilliantly ran and organised. Would still call it a family farm, will go to the owner's grandson at the end of the day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,864 ✭✭✭893bet


    @Siamsa Sessions suggest to stop reading the comments or develop a thicker skin. YouTube is a cesspit in general. I enjoy your short and snappy videos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    YouTube is famous for the cun7ish comments.


    If your videos were about water, thirsty men on YouTube would complain it was wet.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    My skin is plenty thick and I read the comments as I appreciate the time people take to write them. There’s some great ideas from people in the comments too.

    I didn’t pause the videos just because someone was mean to poor little me. I only mentioned the insults at the end to remind people to be nice or at least someway constructive when adding a comment.

    Those negative comments sting more than they should but they’re not enough to put me off.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    I do feel for Farmer Phil after watching that latest video. I’m used to continental beef stock,Rearing dairy beef is a tough game. Those calves are a pity, I couldn’t be looking at them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    does that man normally have good calves. He was still calling levacide a white drench, he woud want to read the label. They are coughing in the video, must have been coughing a fortnight ago too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭leoch


    I've to laugh at Phil when he tries to bump up the great looking calves .......they would be far better keeping a third or half the amount of a better type cattle but every man to there own



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Not easy manage worms in cattle. It's a balance between allowing the animal's immunity to develop, while at the same getting the right thrive. If you overdose, you also get a resistance in the worms to the active ingredient in that type of dose.

    A few years back, I had an outbreak of pneumonia in adult cows brought on by lung worms. I think it may have been from overdosing when they were younger. I'm more inclined to dose less now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    "However, a word of caution is needed. The above is the case for gut worms. In the case of lungworm or hoose, you go in and dose once you hear animals coughing. The reason for this is most damage is done by the larvae stage, i.e. before they become adults and start to lay eggs that appear in the dung."- teagasc.

    suckler calfs dont need many doses cos they dont have the same pressure for worms (not grazing as tight or not as much while theyre still sucking). them dairy calfs are eating grass amd worms from the get go . ideally you want ground with less worms for them , grazing ahead of the stronger cattle (not as tight) or grazing clean ground (aftergrass)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    As the vet said to me at the time - if they are coughing while standing around, you need to dose that day. If they are coughing after running, you need to dose that week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,191 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Very true. A cough is alarm bells. I do ivomec super and no resistance thank you know who. But I don't overdo it either. I had a bout of coughing one year finishing cattle. The slaughter reports were an eye opener. I vowed never again. Vet took samples this year when tb testing lab results were a1. I don't take samples myself just observe animals and it seems to work. I can't vouch for calves but my weanling stock get two shots over the second grazing season and I had no issues since.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    By overdosing I presume you mean dosing when unnecessary, cos one of the main reasons for worm resistance is under dosing i.e too little drench volume for bodyweight.

    Anyhow I have expressed my opinion on the use of mectin type doses over on one of the dairy threads (this was sparked by Farmer Phil's post last June) and I won't comment any further here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    The advice is also that calves are put back into the paddock they are grazing for a few days after dosing. Traditionally calves would be moved to a fresh pasture immediately after dosing but this leads them to infecting the new pasture with resistant worms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Watched that YouTube after reading the comments here, them calves are shook and a big advertisement not to have jex and poor bred calves for the beef game, rearing calves you need to be on your game and trying to blame the dose is a cop out, the dose is only as good as the man administering it at the correct volume and if them calves were bad before being done hard to blame the dose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,146 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Blind faith in the vet/thinking the cydectin was a wonder product probably didnt help, calves probably need to be dosed two months ago, waiting for a nice few to drop dead before dosing them was bizarre....

    Have a real nasty bug here causing mastitis that if you treat it with antibiotics either with tubes/injectables, it feeds of them and makes the mastitis alot worse basically kills the animal,am basically gone antibiotic free in the herd here, a sick animal now just gets a anti-inflammatory mineral drench and dry cow tubes is all that's used....

    Microbial resistance down the line is going to be a huge problem in agriculture



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    In agriculture? It’s going to be a huge problem in society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,191 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Actually coming to think of it didn't farmers phils land flood recently.... no recriminations or anything..no-one has perfect land but that's not good for fluke..just an observation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,655 ✭✭✭endainoz


    A strict grazing rotation can solve a lot of issues with the need for worm dosing. Maybe people should sample more often than they dose to see if the animal actually needs it in the first place. Dose resistance is becoming a huge issue.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Vet here is pushing for that already. I wouldn’t be a calendar user of medicines but I get the sense it’s a policy they’ve taken on. Anyone you talk to behind the counter has the same message for you when you go in.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭timple23




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