Dublin routes news and general chat

Just curious what would you like to see improved in Dublin? I use it quite a bit for the US and while it is busy at times I still think it's a lot better than most US airports. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the place but overall I much prefer it to a lot of airports around the world.

I hear you on the space post USCBP alright, it can get a bit mental down there some days for sure. I don't think it's fussy to look for a seat to sit down while waiting and that can be a struggle alright. I am lucky and get to go into the lounge and it can be no better in there, and the food offering is not great. I always thought the place was too small but the daa as usual did not look very far into the future, but I do find the argument between the daa and the pilots union over the current size interesting. The daa want to make it bigger and the pilots are saying it's not needed.

That's the thing though, the fact that they consistently put this tosh out knowing that there's no fear of them being corrected or challenged on it. Just another example of our pliant media who just want a couple of lines to quote and that'll be that.

Correct. If the government wants to boost Shannon, a good way to do it would be to reduce landing fees/passenger fees there – potentially to zero.

Bring on Charleville International Airport...! (Is CIA taken?) Or maybe just build better roads to link the regional population to SNN, which is the most viable of the three for traffic expansion (especially for long haul/USA) in my biased view...

Dublin needs to work on efficiencies. When I say Dublin I mean the airlines and handlers. Having enough staff is a start, followed by enough well maintained and serviceable GSE next. Being cheap just doesn’t cut it, I don’t mean fares I mean being mean with your finances and economics.

I think the DAA gets enough blame for operations at the airport without the ground handling companies taking their fair share or the airlines. At the end of the day if there isn’t enough buses, de-icers, fuel trucks, people to drive the air bridges, push back the aircraft, unload the bags etc etc etc then that isn’t the airports fault.

The view and approach to the regional airports in the 1st place is wrong in my opinion. The regionals should complement Dublin Airport. The DAA have great expansion plans but they need to have people on side. With the way things are going they are going to be in bother with objections from locals already see it with the night time flights issue and locals getting annoyed over the parking situation. Let's face we are not going to see the famous rail link anytime soon.

So in terms of regionals we can't force airlines to use them but can send out signals of encouragement for them. Instead of local politicians shouting get airlines to use Shannon, Cork and knock more. How about working on making it easier to use these airports. Unless you drive getting to the regionals is a pain. I'm back living in mid West after 13 years in Cork. I try to use the regionals where I can. Its ridiculous no bus service from north tipp serves Shannon for example but can get bus or train to Dublin no problem. The bus routes that currently serve Shannon from Limerick or Galway don't serve well if you flight is an early departure or late arrival. Work on things like this. Hence reason in Limerick people end up getting the green bus to Dublin airport for early flights to London etc. I'm sure the same happens in Galway too easier to get bus to Dublin than Shannon.

Also Cork to their credit have done well to attract other airlines like Swiss etc. Let them build on this. Also for existing routes focus 1st on getting more of them year round.many summer schedules for example from Cork don't run the full march to October season.. some only start mid May/June to early Sept. Many still take summer holidays outside this. Would love to the likes of AL operate the likes of Dubrovnik for a few was longer.

Little things like these can complament Dublin Airport allowing it to continue develop its connectivity long haul to place where realitisly the others would never serve. Although one thing that annoys me about Shannon you would never hear of it looking to aim East. Its seems to stay trying to attract serves to the traditional base of the US.The younger Irish now head east to Dubai, aus and New Zealand. That and giving the changing demographics of the Ireland and the amount of people from Asia here now. There's potential there however the dollar is what they chase

singke aisle 2-cabin vs twin aisle 3 cabin plus 1/2 extra cabin. Delta much bigger on corp contracts ex-MSP based on a northwestern heritage. Likely cannibalism each other.

For Aer Lingus to have successful interline activity at Shannon would require an ability to fill the aircraft with sufficient passengers between a UK or EU airport and the mid-west itself, which could then be supplemented with the transit pax. That's how it works at DUB - the two passenger elements complement each other. From Aer Lingus's point of view, and given their risk-averse approach to short-haul routes, it's hard to see them making any meaningful shift in this direction as the market currently stands.

BA offer pretty much any connection that works, time wise, from SNN. They even offer double connections, e.g. random American Eagle served airports in the US where you'll be going SNN-LHR-XXX-YYY.

Some prices are absolutely insane on a random selection but I am looking at flights for next week!

The fares from SNN with BA are often significantly higher than the equivalent ticket out of Dublin, even if you try to book reasonably far ahead. I often see ex-SNN fares 20%+ higher for certain long haul east-bound routes in business class, which is too big a difference an an already expensive ticket. No rhyme or reason to it…

You can blame Michael O'Leary for the lack of DUB-ORK he ran Aer Arann off the route back in 2005/6 through a classic fare dumping operation

O'Leary subsequently abandoned the route as Irish Rail launched an hourly service starting at 9.99 each way, the motorway was completed and Aircoach and Co started express routes, a 737 couldn't work but an ATR interlining into the morning TATL arrivals/departures had a chance.

Long term its going to be DUB, SNN and BFS each with rail connections to fill the gaps, ORK/KIR/NOC limited to some business/leisure markets

Nobody wants to fly on an ATR to Dublin to connect anymore, you'd just fly from Dublin at that stage. The cost would be very prohibitive and you really wouldn't be saving much time from most places. It's avoiding the airport completely that's attractive.

I would happily use a ORK-DUB connection if I could have the ease of parking, checking in, and clearing security in Cork, especially with bags checked through to destination.

Flew Dublin -Gatwick recently, just a few mins before landing. Is that Brighton in the distance ?

Depends on how fast the economics of electric aviation evolve. The medium term goal is to electrify small capacity short flights feeding into the longer range hub airports still reliant on larger fossil fuel planes, which in (very) theory would be exactly ORK-DUB.

There's a strong argument that passengers who are connecting to the US should take a short prop flight, rather than backtracking on a jet to LHR/AMS and adding hours of jet airtime to their route. But whether a connections only, no point to point ticketing flight has a market is even more questionable

Does this claimed 200km include sufficient contingency and holding fuel? I wonder what distance the diversionary field is from the destination? If the aircraft is flying DUB-ORK and another aircraft becomes disabled on the runway, then its off to KIR or WAT, unless its night time or there's low viz, in which case its off to SNN or back to DUB.

M20 solves a lot of things in terms of transatlantic from Cork versus an ORK-DUB shuttle.

If AA bring back PHL and DL BOS/NYC then you're essentially a 1 stopper from everywhere in the US, Canada, Carribean and Central America when you add that to UA EWR/ORD and EI BOS/JFK.

I’d say It would do well with transatlantic connections, more routes to the USA to connect to now then when it last operated.