Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

How the hell can the numbers have no bearing on anything?

There are still 650 arriving a week, all of whom need places found for them. Are you genuinely trying to say if they were to stop arriving that wouldn’t ease the government’s difficulty in putting everyone up?

Surely even you can realise how ridiculous that sounds

If you read the article, you’ll see it’s 650 per week arriving, not per month.

Genuinely what do you expect them to do to magic up accommodation for nearly 3000 people every month on month?

Can we just be realistic please

It's becoming abundantly clear by the utterences from Pascal and McGrath about our non existent "International Obligations" regarding the flood of migrants into this country that the commission could be in a sense holding this government over a barrel.

The fact its always the money men coming out with these soundbites in the increasingly laughable press conferences they hold with the Irish establishment media is significant.

Pascal and his ilk have made this country an anomaly in the economic sense. The perveyors of leprechaun economics as its so lovingly coined in European economic circles.

Is it the case that the commission has said to the Leprechauns "You can keep your gold for the time being but your taking in migrants to solve our crisis".

The services and societal structures of this country are crumbling with this flood of migration but this goverment gets to hoard it's Ill gotten gains.

While in the real Ireland economy we are now deep in recession and inflation and cost of living are spiralling out of control. Sociteal norms and crime we are accostomed to are breaking down.

To answer the OP I'd go as far as saying its time for a complete reset of our Economic policy and political establishment to serve it's citizens.

Fix that and the health, housing, cost of living, migrant crisises all fall into place....eventually. The only real question now is is it too late.

According to that woman who was interviewed on Friday, she estimates that the current Ukrainian population is 75k and that around 17k have left to return to Ukraine or moved on to other countries.

Incidentally, from what I can understand, our acceptance of Ukrainian refugees is something that is official Irish government policy rather than something that was 'imposed' by the EU. So if they really wanted to stop doing, it would probably be quite possible legally.

We put them here we put them there any old where .

It certainly seems plausible. There have been numerous anecdotal reports of Ukrainian people returning to their home country. As an expert on Ukrainians in Ireland, she must have access to official figures which show the current numbers here.

The woman he refers to is Emma Lane-Spollen (one of the grifting NGOs) so as they have been known to twist the facts to suit their own agenda, her figures should be taken with a pinch of salt - Remember they [the NGOs] reported there was a 50k attendance at the A/Ss welcome march in Feb, when the actual figure was closer to 5k...and that 5k was made up mostly of the NGOs themselves - It is notable that the IT and RTE reported that the NGO's said there were 50k at the march and not 'there was 50k at the march'...it's the little things that matter - There were no drone shots of the march (there's always drone shots, except when you don't want to show the drone shots)

If there are no drone shots how do you know there wasn't 50k at the March?

Anyway looks pretty substantial here all along the Custom House Quay

"The woman he refers to is Emma Lane-Spollen (one of the grifting NGOs) so as they have been known to twist the facts to suit their own agenda, her figures should be taken with a pinch of salt" ...that is a pretty serious statement there ..can you back that up ?

And meanwhile actual Irish citizens and taxpayers are forced to live with their parents into middle age with little chance of being able to buy a house of their own…particularly difficult when they’ve their own state competing against them in the housing market - and their fellow citizens like yourself cheering all this on, pathetic state of affairs

You disagree with this approach then?

I can recall you being fairly vociferous in your support of the limitless influx earlier in the year

I agree you probably are correct though - government seems intent on spending billions of taxpayer funds on other people, at the expense of taxpayers.

I was more than happy for us to send aid and accept a reasonable amount of refugees but it’s gotten completely out of control now. With our current surplus this govt have one of the greatest opportunities in the history of the state to make genuine huge improvements to the state and the everyday lives of Irish people. Instead they’re going to piss it all away on nothing.

“Metrolink? More housing and schools? Energy self sufficiency with offshore wind? Pfft nah”

Theres always Sinn Féin....I jest.

I always argued for a balanced approach, where supply and infrastructure complements demand.

We clearly dont have that at the moment, but we do have a period where quite a lot of housing completions are falling due. A temporary reprieve, perhaps.

But its true that the govt are not managing the overall demand at all well.

The govt are now asking…the National Ploughing Association for help accommodating people…what the absolute fùck is going on here

Just say we can’t accommodate any more???!!!

I would imagine a component is that although the policy is by now clearly unsuitable no one wants to be the first to draw attention to this reality.

This would be committing wrongthink where our ideologue media is concerned and open them up to criticism and the usual hackneyed accusations of racism etc. Actually incredible that we’re at the point now where suggesting exercising a bit of moderate pragmatism and realpolitik will get you labelled a fascist.

You’d also get the same from those in opposition taking opportunistic jabs and scoring points over the “moral (and indeed legal!) obligations” we apparently have, resplendent in their virtuosity.

it will take someone with an actual spine and bit of bravery to stick their head above the parapet and do what’s actually in the interest of their constituents. Unfortunately such people are few and far between amongst the self serving, milquetoast bunch that comprise our government.