Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

According to that woman who was interviewed on Friday, she estimates that the current Ukrainian population is 75k and that around 17k have left to return to Ukraine or moved on to other countries.

Incidentally, from what I can understand, our acceptance of Ukrainian refugees is something that is official Irish government policy rather than something that was 'imposed' by the EU. So if they really wanted to stop doing, it would probably be quite possible legally.

We put them here we put them there any old where .

It certainly seems plausible. There have been numerous anecdotal reports of Ukrainian people returning to their home country. As an expert on Ukrainians in Ireland, she must have access to official figures which show the current numbers here.

The woman he refers to is Emma Lane-Spollen (one of the grifting NGOs) so as they have been known to twist the facts to suit their own agenda, her figures should be taken with a pinch of salt - Remember they [the NGOs] reported there was a 50k attendance at the A/Ss welcome march in Feb, when the actual figure was closer to 5k...and that 5k was made up mostly of the NGOs themselves - It is notable that the IT and RTE reported that the NGO's said there were 50k at the march and not 'there was 50k at the march'...it's the little things that matter - There were no drone shots of the march (there's always drone shots, except when you don't want to show the drone shots)

If there are no drone shots how do you know there wasn't 50k at the March?

Anyway looks pretty substantial here all along the Custom House Quay

"The woman he refers to is Emma Lane-Spollen (one of the grifting NGOs) so as they have been known to twist the facts to suit their own agenda, her figures should be taken with a pinch of salt" ...that is a pretty serious statement there ..can you back that up ?

And meanwhile actual Irish citizens and taxpayers are forced to live with their parents into middle age with little chance of being able to buy a house of their own…particularly difficult when they’ve their own state competing against them in the housing market - and their fellow citizens like yourself cheering all this on, pathetic state of affairs

You disagree with this approach then?

I can recall you being fairly vociferous in your support of the limitless influx earlier in the year

I agree you probably are correct though - government seems intent on spending billions of taxpayer funds on other people, at the expense of taxpayers.

I was more than happy for us to send aid and accept a reasonable amount of refugees but it’s gotten completely out of control now. With our current surplus this govt have one of the greatest opportunities in the history of the state to make genuine huge improvements to the state and the everyday lives of Irish people. Instead they’re going to piss it all away on nothing.

“Metrolink? More housing and schools? Energy self sufficiency with offshore wind? Pfft nah”

Theres always Sinn Féin....I jest.

I always argued for a balanced approach, where supply and infrastructure complements demand.

We clearly dont have that at the moment, but we do have a period where quite a lot of housing completions are falling due. A temporary reprieve, perhaps.

But its true that the govt are not managing the overall demand at all well.

The govt are now asking…the National Ploughing Association for help accommodating people…what the absolute fùck is going on here

Just say we can’t accommodate any more???!!!

I would imagine a component is that although the policy is by now clearly unsuitable no one wants to be the first to draw attention to this reality.

This would be committing wrongthink where our ideologue media is concerned and open them up to criticism and the usual hackneyed accusations of racism etc. Actually incredible that we’re at the point now where suggesting exercising a bit of moderate pragmatism and realpolitik will get you labelled a fascist.

You’d also get the same from those in opposition taking opportunistic jabs and scoring points over the “moral (and indeed legal!) obligations” we apparently have, resplendent in their virtuosity.

it will take someone with an actual spine and bit of bravery to stick their head above the parapet and do what’s actually in the interest of their constituents. Unfortunately such people are few and far between amongst the self serving, milquetoast bunch that comprise our government.

Yes ministers should what’s best for the country as a whole, something they’ve been failing at

I was talking to a refugee who did security course. He couldn't get his licence because they couldn't get him. He was from a middle eastern country.

They are not vetted

Would it not be at least prudent to ring fence the spending on economic migrants as step one? We have 500k adults living with their parents but yet accommodation can be found for people who’ve arrived last week. I’m not sure I really I understand the whole thing.

I’ve asked local representatives is there a figure out there on the number of eu nationals and non eu nationals who are socially house but get no answer. I saw somewhere non nationals account for 35% of the waiting list for social housing. If that figures true with the rate people are arriving in the country we can never build enough houses as the list will just grow exponentially. Interestingly I see Poland has a very similar challenge to here with regards to affordable accommodation either to buy or rent.

I do know offering full social welfare to Ukrainians was a strange decision not necessarily well thought out. Surely it could be rolled back on to help fund their general up keep due to sheer numbers coming in.

We are seeing the start of a likely drop off in corporation tax receipts and potentially FDI so the commitments made to the welfare system will be harder to deliver on against a reduction in tax take.

Asylum seekers need vetting if they are wanting to work in jobs which require it. They have permission to work after 5 months in the system.

Fact is that can't be vetted as the country they are fleeing from won't exactly be willing to give it. Which is exactly what I said initially