Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

What galls citizens like me, is to hear the charge of 'right wing' or 'fascist' slurred at them.

I have voted left of centre all my life and would regard myself as a liberal.

I also love my country and I detest the way there are those about who support the unfettered change that is rapidly gaining pace in this island we live on. It's not the country I grew up in but there is still time to halt this pace of change.

In the past, Singapore had a zero-tolerance policy on Vietnamese refugees permanently migrating there. They set up a transit camp in Sembawang where Vietnamese refugees could stay for a few months before moving on to a different country. This policy was strictly controlled: a strict cap on the number that could be in country at any one time, and the refugees had to have their plans of where they would be headed afterwards worked out in advance.

The idea that a Western government could not control inward migration if they chose to...I am speechless that anyone could believe that.

A lot pf them are in high paying jobs that are paying for all our services.

Italians, Spanish and Portuguese?

I would say they are.

The ones I have met in Dublin all have well paid jobs. Anecdotal I know.

The first waves of Vietnamese migrants to the US in the mid 1970s were well educated and quite proficient in English in fact. Most of the household heads of the Vietnamese families who arrived at that time were medical workers, technical workers or had clerical office jobs. Less then 5% of them were farmers or fishermen. The second wave consisted of many government workers and military staff. A 1975 poll in the US found that most Americans did not want Vietnamese refugees/migrants coming — but the US government cited a moral obligation to take them in (which I believe in modern right-leaning circles is "woke snowflake bleeding heart white guilt that will destroy nations" or something like that).

So the Vietnamese were able to establish themselves early on at a higher level in the professional and business spheres than, say, the Irish of the mid 19th century — and indeed impart that on their children. It wasn't until slightly later in the late 70s and early 80s that the huge swathe of "boat people" landed in the US — who eventually became concentrated in places like California where Vietnamese communities had already established.

In the modern USA there are still visible legacy leftovers from the different waves and how the skills/experience each landed with has reverberated into the future. Central San Jose is replete with Vietnamese-origin kitchen staff, repair workers etc while in places like Evergreen you find the middle/upper class Vietnamese Americans who tend to be Silicon Valley workers or other high end career staff. What you can see there is how socioeconomic factors cast long shadows and "culture" is just a short word that people use to simplify the issues migrants and refugees face — and I venture that the reason for that is to create a notion that whole nationalities and races can wholesale be typecast into a "culture" that is irretrievably incapable of integrating or contributing positively to our own.

It was stated in the op...its personal experience.. not professional, just kids playing gaa., and people mixing, neighbours, workmates . I never mentioned the pub and not everybody in Ireland bases their entire life around drink.

Now that is a change for the better.

Glad it amused you... people are inclined to take themselvrs too seriously here sometimes!

Ireland has been very good at holding on to its traditions and cultures though. If you'd asked people 40 years ago, I'd say they'd nearly be surprised to hear that Gaelic football and hurling are still very popular in the 2020s. Ditto with things like trad music (look at the Wolfe Tones at the weekend) and Irish dancing.

I don't buy the 'dilution' argument at all. It almost suggests that Irish culture is not particularly special and would be easily disposable and replaceable, when all the evidence suggests Irish people are doing an excellent job of holding on to it (because they want to hold on to it).

Ads on the TV over representative of blacks . What about Asians ?

A conglomerate of parallel societies living separately is the outcome .

Despite what government tell us, we are not legally obligated to take part in the EU migration resettlement scheme. We have an opt-in opt-out clause under our democratic ratification of the Lisbon Treaty. 75% of population want an end to open borders/mass migration, we need a referendum on migration.

The humanitarian argument is a a trojan horse, follow the money. The Asylum Migration Integration Fund (AMIF) Is what's driving this.

As I said it is my personal experience of kids in school and GAA and music/dancing i can't support that with anything except it is my own belief.

I am as entitled as you to post what I believe without a source for everything that is not factual, as the posts from you above clearly show. Lots of personal statements and opinions expressed there too.

You may believe in the dilution of our culture with immigration for example.

Ir that Irish people are on the way to being a minority.. That is opinion not fact.

And I and others here do not agree with your opinion on that.

I believe Ireland and our culture is a dynamic that is changing all the time anyway as a result of living on the planet, social media, travel,

eg look at the D4 accent exploson over the last 20 years. That easn't expected by anyone as something that would still be so pervasive.

As regards the Muslim community in Dublin they are very integrated and do attend mixed gatherings and get involved in the local community. . And while alcohol is not on the menu everybody enjoys eating and musical events.

Why do you assume that every person or community behaves the same in every country ?

The interactions with the local community will influence how integrated or not an immigrant group will be. Not just dependent on how they themselves behave.

Also how settled, how many have good employment, education, family support, good English language skills. The majority of that particular community in Dublin are highly qualified and educated which is one of the prognostic indicators for goodi integration.

These are the same indicators that would affect any new person in a new country, which Irish people are well placed to understand.

Maybe its time you recognised that our unique history and culture might be exactly why Ireland may be different for migrant social as well economic integration. than other similar countries.

However without adequate housing and a settled safe space, nothing else works.

I don't really mind if you want to file that away some where, thats your prerogative.