So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

Members of Congress who were present for the UFO session were not allowed access to the SCIF to hear Grusch's evidence. Did you miss that news? The intelligence community is still protecting a sensitive program and the identities of those involved. Do you think people who have guarded this secret for decades are going to allow it to come out easily? There is no doubt that Congress will have to take on these people and pass new laws in order to find out the truth. Because Congress will be on summer holidays, any movement on this issue will take some time

Here is a good video of a UFO. The expert on the video said the object was there.

Grusch has NEVER said he delivered verifiable evidence to the public, he has maintained that if he did he could go to jail and can only release it to people with appropriated credentials in an appropriate setting.

This smug constant harping on about no evidence is pathetic.

Once again :

Like a broken record. Its annoying having to type this in every other page.

Everyone knows the pictures/videos/witness testimony available to the public are not conclusive. Though the weight of testimony is compelling (hours of video here). Reliable eye witness testimony is enough to convict in courts of law. Stop infering someone looked at a grainy photo and announced "aliens".

THIS is the conspiracy theory : There IS better evidence, it is being concealed.

One of the CENTRAL outcomes of the recent Senate hearing was to announce under oath that there IS better evidence and it is being concealed, not to provide evidence there and then.

Remember until 2017 there was no formal government UFO investigations and there was no secret videos, all denied until subsequently called out in the New York Times article.

What bullshit is this .. A witness can only ever state what they believe.

David Grusch was the representative of the NRO to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force.[3][4][6] From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the co-lead for UAP analysis at the NGA and its representative to that task force.

The current ICIG was so concerned about Mr Grusch’s allegations, after conducting his own investigations, that he referred all of them immediately to Congress, deeming all of Grusch’s complaints “urgent and credible”.

These ICIG investigations included multiple interviews with first-hand witnesses to the NHI crash retrieval and reverse engineering program known to Mr Grusch, as well as other evidence. Other first-hand witnesses have also testified to the ICIG who are not known to Mr Grusch, backing his allegations.

What on earth are you on about.

A man at the center of the UAP investigation swore under oath that he believes there is better evidence and it is being concealed. This was an outcome of the hearing.

Really King if you want to muddy the waters you need to stick with your fairy theory.

All a witness can do is say what he believes. But you seem happier with the first one, fine I'll change the ongoing watermark:

Everyone knows the pictures/videos/witness testimony available to the public are not conclusive. Though the weight of testimony is compelling (hours of video here). Reliable eye witness testimony is enough to convict in courts of law. Stop infering someone looked at a grainy photo and announced "aliens".

THIS is the conspiracy theory : There IS better evidence, it is being concealed.

One of the CENTRAL outcomes of the recent Senate hearing was that a man at the center of the UAP investigation swore under oath that he believes there is better evidence and it is being concealed, not to provide evidence there and then.

Remember until 2017 there was no formal government UFO investigations and there was no secret videos, all denied until subsequently called out in the New York Times article.

This is why the UFO grifter media were so excited for this hearing. It can very easily be twisted and mischaracterized as long as what was actually presented is not looked into that much.

"Senate hearing" sounds a lot more impressive than "guy makes unsupported claims he can't back up."

I pointed out earlier that Mick West suggested that there might be a program for the US to monitor, capture and analyse Russian/Chinese aircraft. This idea doesn't seem to get any attention because it's a bit dull and doesn't involve any aliens.

One of the senators that supports all of this believes UFOs were mentioned in the bible. Should we take it seriously if he states that belief under oath?

I see no credible evidence of the conspiracy that "alien bodies/spacecraft/etc" exist and are being concealed.

I just see a guy making baseless claims, backed by 30 other people (interviewed) who made baseless claims, layered with "it's classified we can't tell you" which is contradicted by the head of AARO.

I do see evidence of programs to track and identify UFOs/UAPs. I also see credible evidence that some of the (ex) members of these programs or contributors are "alien believers".

Sorry, but I don't believe any such thing. Very strange accusation to make.

We also don't "know it's being concealed". Grusch and others claim it's being concealed but don't show any evidence or any good reasons to believe it is being concealed.

Grusch's allegations are with this office, as I have repeatedly explained to you on this site

https://www.dodig.mil/About/#:~:text=The%20Inspector%20General%20acts%20as,conducting%20audits%2C%20investigations%20and%20evaluations. h

Whistleblower protection laws exist to protect individuals from retaliation by employers for disclosing information that they believe is illegal or unethical. As such, disclosing sensitive information in public settings would be in violation of these laws and could lead to criminal charges. The lack of knowledge about this stuff among debunkers amazes me. He could only reveal what he actually knows to people who have DOD security clearance, and this isn't rocket science.

The DOD IG requires solid evidence, such as documents, memos, reports, and many other sources that can be verified and referenced to evaluate the credibility of a whistleblower's claims. Furthermore, Grusch's statements suggest that the program was funded using an Internal Research and Development (IRAD) account, which is a way for the DOD to secretly fund covert projects without the knowledge of Congress and the President. That is why he appeared at that Senate UFO hearing to reveal that this UFO program is not audited or known to Congress.

The way I see it, you have a faction within the US government circles that is willing to share some transparency about the UFO topic, and those people are involved with ARRO. Then you have another faction that is more secretive and holds onto crashed UFO technology and doesn't want to share it. Whistleblowers involved with the second faction, for whatever reason, decided to blow the whistle on it to the DOD IG complaint board. Maybe some involved in the research got sick of all the secrecy by the people in charge. We have to wait to hear their story. to know the truth behind their whistleblower complaints.

Most of history was orally thought through storytelling and song as a way to preserve the culture and its traditions. This method was used before written language was developed, and it was the most effective way to pass down information from one generation to the next. A number of paintings, historical sites, and cave paintings depict beings that are remarkably similar to the gray beings described in UFO literature.

Those fairy tales you grew up with are not that different from the UFO stories of today. You have lost time, you have magical places called Tir Na Og; you have beings with golden hair (very similar to the UFO humanoid Nordics), and so on. What has changed is how a culture interprets what it sees over time (today, see metallic-looking UFO craft)

Ancient Aliens were able to last so long on television because of the wide range of topics they covered, from mythology to UFO sightings. They provided evidence that some of the supernatural stories from ancient times are similar to the UFO accounts of today. There is an alleged abduction narrative too. Some of the legends in the Bible could have been misinterpreted accounts of UFO sightings.

Based on the six-thousand-year history of human civilization on this planet, we believe we have all solved it. It is possible that we are just another civilization, like many before us Asteroids and disasters have happened in the past that wiped out other civilizations.

We don't really know what UFOs might be or what relationship they have with this planet. Speculation: just visitors arrived recently? Maybe not.

Medieval technology did not have the capability to launch any sort of spacecraft, so they would not have been able to repair a crashed UFO. In addition, they did not have the materials or tools to move a large object, so it would have been extremely difficult for them to recover the UFO. How remote afar was the crash, if it happened? In a hundred years or so, what would happen to the object just left there in a open crater? Just speculation here, of course.  

Medieval people absolutely had the technology to move large objects. Prehistoric people had the technology, never mind medieval. Huge slabs of stone weighing many tonnes. If Bob Lazar is to be believed, at least some of the crashed spacecraft were not particularly large, being apparently built for smaller beings, and quite cramped for a human to move around in.

I don't really tie in UFOs with old folklore for the simple reason that it ignores that people have always had imaginations, and probably better ones than in the distracted age we're currently in. There were many phenomena going on in times past that people didn't understand and had to make up a story to explain.

There could be well be countless advanced civilisations out there, but if there are, the idea that they've only been visiting and having the odd crash since the 1940s seems incredibly strange. The incidence of crashed saucers should be relatively plentiful in recorded history.