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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Sure. But in reality the next GE will prescribe what will hapoen as regards changes to policy, or none if the presrnt crowd are reelected.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,437 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,910 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    No they are not. I have family members who are not white



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    With the exception of last year, the number of asylum seekers arriving in Ireland is actually quite low compared to other EU countries and has been for nearly 20 years.

    We do not have open borders. In fact last year, Ireland recorded the fourth highest number of refusals within the EU for stopping non-EU citizens trying to enter its territory - 9,240 refusals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,910 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    No it is not destroying native cultures and it will not.

    Nobody is replacing the native people.

    Irish customs and cultures have travelled all over the world, they are not dying out, nor will they, no matter how many Fearmongering people repeat it.

    I watched my cousins kids (2nd gen irish) dance around a Maypole in Bradford, along with their Indian and Pakistani classmates, the next weekend they were Irish dancing in a feis. 3 different cultural backgrounds, involving themselves in native British culture and also the culture of their ancestors. Anecdotal obvs. Not to mention GAA clubs worldwide with local members playing football a game from a foreign culture to them.


    Doesn't seem like anything is dying out anytime soon.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    Noticeably less media commentary about how "most certainly" the "vast majority" of Ukrainians will go home as soon as humanly possible. Comms playbook must have been updated to reflect that that excuse is no longer required. Presumably because they're satisfied that climate migration (gasp... existential crisis!) is now established as justification for our massive future investments in immigration infrastructure. Shur aren't our govmt great at immigration farming #anabundanceofcare - LOL! 



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Native American and Aboriginal are hardly good examples - those peoples were colonised and taken over by outside forces, with the native population being brutally oppressed. What happened there wasn't too dissimilar (for those on the receiving end) to being invaded by Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union.

    People who move to another country to make a new life for themselves aren't doing so with the intention of oppressing or colonising the locals or trying to eradicate their culture or language. In very many cases in fact, they might even be drawn to the culture, language and customs of the host country and find it appealing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Yeah the 2004 referendum result really threw a spanner in the works.

    With clowns like Roderick and mcentee at the helm with their asylum seeker amnesty word is out n we are back at pre referendum numbers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Ploughing championship approached to use the marquees after they wrap up. The farce continues unabated.

    Neighbours are having a wedding n marquee in their garden in a couple of weeks wonder will they be asked!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Ahwell


    The numbers have been coming right back down over the past 5 months.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭lmao10


    It's normal for someone with greater than 20,000 anti immigrant posts to focus entirely on the negatives. I have nothing but good relationships with immigrants I've met and many only talk positively about Ireland but we're not even talking about immigrants here, you have exposed yourself as having something against the actual home grown Irish guys and girls, a lot of whom probably know nothing other than "Irishness". Yes they are going to face challenges from the likes of yourself who view them negatively but by and large they seem to be living lives of normality as you'd expect. I don't expect any immigrant or whatever would want to engage with you or any of the other anti immigrant crowd who have the thousands of posts and tweets behind them and vice versa. There is fortunately another world out there that we all live in, opposite to the one that these anti immigrant types dwell in online.



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭hymenelectra


    "We have seen an uptick in those numbers again, so we do need to be conscious of that,” Mr Harris said, offering no opinion on why the inflows were continuing — although family re-integration will be a factor."


    But don't worry, this is only a short term solution. But how? What's happening after that?

    Ireland, tell me you're overpopulated without telling me you're overpopulated.


    True story, I was eating a packet of crisps the other day when out of a hedge paschal Donohoe appeared, "any chance of slipping a migrant or two in that packet, boss?"



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    You keep linking the current housing / accommodation crisis to the country being supposedly "overpopulated". There are sufficient jobs, school places, hospital places, food, water, medicines, energy, heating, public transport, essential services, finance, welfare etc for the entire population. The only thing we are short on is housing and emergency accommodation : that is not an overpopulated country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭hymenelectra


    I'm not going to bother listing out countless recent articles, yet again, describing precisely the opposite of what you claim.

    Needless to say, you're living in some fantasy land if you believe that everything beyond housing is ropey. Delusional, man.

    And yes, housing in itself is directly linked to overpopulation.

    Riddle me this: at a certain point in time we were 100k homes in deficit. Now it's 250k.

    Well, how the did that increase happen?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    You bring up an interesting point there Goldengirl.

    I think its fair to say that if the present govt remain, there wont be a change in asylum/refugee policy.

    But if SF do get in, do people really expect any change on that front?

    Surely SF, as a socialist party, should be welcoming of new immigrants into the country and may even seek to accelerate the influx of Asylum Seekers/Refugees?

    I personally expect they will do zero to slow down Asylum immigration and we will remain welcoming to asylum seekers as a state.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    You have few relatives who are not white but the vast majority of Indigenous Irish are white in Ireland .

    Well if your family members are not white when did they come to Ireland ? A passport does not make someone Irish as they can be obtained in 5 years . I am referring to indigenous Irish who have a long history .



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The Irish Tines is reporting today that the govt have admitted that tented accomodation is now the primary mode of asylum/refugee accomodation for new arrivals, as of next week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭hymenelectra


    I'd agree, I doubt anyone has the stones to face reality so it'll just worsen. Until it is faced head on, which is inevitable.

    But I'll clarify a statement you make there, "we will remain welcoming to asylum seekers as a state".

    There's no "we", it's the government and a handful of zealots that are welcoming. Pluck 20 people at random off the streets and the odds are that 20 of them will range from a sheepish "It's probably a bit much now to be fair" to "are you joking?!"


    I've said it before and I'll say it again, I have never in my life witnessed such a divide between what the people want and what the government delivers. You'd be as well off asking the government of Botswana to take action in ireland, such is the disconnect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    You attempted to post this same false rubbish only a few days ago, hilarious to see you trying it again. Shameless.

    I’ll even link the same article again that illustrates you’re either a deliberate liar or live in fantasy land.

    With reference to your comment, does the hospital overcrowding outlined in the above article suggest our hospital places are “sufficient” as you put it, or insufficient?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,910 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    What? They were born here, they didn't come here!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    You say the amount of resentment towards people arriving here among your age group is huge, what age group is that? From my experience resentment and begrudgery is not age related.



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭hymenelectra


    To a very few, there are 20 different, but suspiciously similarly described problems.

    Or, in reality, we have one overarching problem and 20 different symptoms.

    Well we can see how treating symptoms has worked each year so far.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,910 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Excuse me? They are Irish and were born in this country.

    now what do you mean they are not indigenous Irish?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    As an aside IIRC we only took in around 200 and only after UN pressure.

    A goodly proportion of the later migrations were Chinese Vietnamese which of course would have found existing diasporas around the world. However there are consistent patterns of migrations and outcomes in all multicultural societies we look at, regardless of individual nation's histories and politics. East Asian diasporas on average do better than others and usually better than the 'natives', African diasporas do worse on average than both other groups and 'natives', with Europeans nestling in the middle on average, those from the middle East would be similar. Take something like single parent families, East Asian diasporas have fewer such families, African diasporas have more, Europeans again in the middle. Even accounting for socioeconomic factors these overall patterns remain.

    Take the story of Vietnamese in the US today. On average they earn more per family, yet have lower overall educational qualifications than locals and other migrants and a majority aren't proficient in English compared to other groups.

    All would have existing established communities particularly in ex European colonies like the US, Canada et al, but outcomes follow pretty clear patterns. Now there are all sorts of reasons for this, the sliding scale of racism applied to different groups a plain and obvious one. Even this early into Irish 'multiculturalism' we're seeing these patterns. But again these patterns are remarkably consistent over time and seemingly intractable with it.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,187 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    He means they don't smoke clay pipes and say the rosary every night.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Yes first generation born but without a history here . To spare you the emotion I have no problem with you telling them they are native Indigenous Irish .



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭hymenelectra


    We've all heard the countless stories on how the youth are getting left behind without a bag to pizz in.

    Well, it all adds up. Whether it's a case of an 18 year old unable to attend the college they worked hard for due to housing being swallowed up, a 35 year old stuck in the parents house ad infinitum, the parents sick of it too, the 24 year old couple who can't even live together, the 60 year old left waiting on a hospital trolley, criminals allowed on the street because the prisons are stuffed and then mugging a 40 year old, the 33 year old who can't get a creche or place in a school, the newly qualified teacher about to pull a runner out of the country...

    You're right, it's a bag of resentment right across the age spectrum. But it's especially rough for youth who haven't had a chance at all.

    Look at the below through the lens of the ballooning amount of irish people on the receiving end of this madcap stuff.

    Bearing in mind that there are those not visibly distinguishable as Irish too.


    Resentment is an understatement for so many people. I'm personally sick of helping people out in dire straits, yet the likes of the above is blasting ahead.

    Cause and effect. Action and reaction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,612 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If you're using single metrics, you could link to just about anything and claim the country is "overpopulated". The unemployment rate, hospital waiting lists, school waiting lists, the accommodation crisis, you name it.

    If the country is overpopulated, how have we got high net immigration and with many emigrants returning home? Posters are literally talking in this thread about legal ways of stopping people from moving here and making it a less attractive location for them (!!).



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,910 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Seems governments have been warned about overcrowding for years, The Irish Times, dated 2014


    'Frontline doctors have warned that emergency departments (EDs) in hospitals across the country are “unequivocally dangerous” to patients due to severe overcrowding.

    In a letter addressed to the Health Information and Quality Authority (Hiqa), which was also sent to the directorate of the HSE, the doctors highlight issues with staffing coupled with increasing numbers of patients and an ageing population.

    "ED overcrowding should not be tolerated," wrote Dr Aileen McCabe, president of the Irish Emergency Medicine Trainees Association (IEMTA). "We believe that current ED conditions are unequivocally dangerous for patients and staff and there is substantial medical evidence that overcrowding leads to higher mortality and poorer patient outcomes."

    In the letter, which was sent on January 9th, Dr McCabe says doctors around the country "whole-heartedly" welcomed the Hiqa Tallaght Hospital Investigation Report published in May 2012. "We felt that your report signalled clearly and unambiguously to hospital management and the healthcare commissioners that these unsafe systems of healthcare provision would no longer be accepted."


    Much like they were warned about increasing homelessness in the 1990s but did nothing about that either.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,453 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




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