Fuel allowance application refused

On which grounds were you refused fuel allowance? What does the letter say?

Sorry I can see you already answered that in your OP

OK, I've been through this .

If you've not reached the time (12 Months) on a Jobseekers payment and then start a CE scheme the clock stops & you will not , I repeat, not be awarded fuel allowance. It's rather Sneaky and through my own due diligence discovered this, just before starting a CE scheme.

Admittedly my situation was unique & over the space of a week the DSP awarded me Fuel Allowance just before I started the CE scheme. It was quite a Kerfuffle & involved me being put back onto a Jobseekers payment ,then off & then I started the scheme with Fuel allowance awarded.

Unfortunately people are unaware that if they start a CE scheme & had not built up the 12 months & started on the Scheme, Fuel Allowance will Not be awarded.

This I hope will clarify the situation albeit its not the news OP Will want to hear.

It’s terribly convoluted Dempo. They must find a way to simplify this so people can know before they bother applying at all.

Im trying to figure out if my boyfriend will get fuel allowance this year, he was unemployed, then CE scheme and got fuel allowance while on CE then on jobseekers for a few months and now working 2 days a week and on X’s and O’s. He hasn’t a clue how many days is counted. I assume he’ll still be entitled to it when he got it on CE but I just don’t know for sure.

People can of course seek a review but as I've pointed out, a waste of time. I've met up to 6 people on the CE scheme I'm about to finish & move to DA, all have applied, all refused.

If the 12 months has not been reached prior to starting a CE scheme, Fuel allowance will not be awarded

PUP has no baring on Fuel allowance eligibility, those on PUP where not entitled to it. When people moved to a Jobseekers Payment after PUP, it took 12 months to achieve eligibility.

OP, this might better explain, essentially the fact you were not on JSA/B prior to starting the CE scheme has gone against you. Even if you where on JSA/B for a week prior to starting the CE scheme you could have used time on PUP towards Eligibility for Fuel allowance.

Are you 100% sure you didn't transition onto JSB after PUP, even for a short time, I only ask as the Majority still on PUP when it ended where automatically transitioned onto JSB if they had enough stamps, those without where invited to apply for JSA which was fast tracked, it's rare to hear anyone went on a CE scheme from PUP

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2021-11-02/612/

They certainly can ask for a review but it will not result in them getting fuel allowance. The applicant was not on JSA at any stage. PUP can contribute to making up the JSA minimum days condition, but can’t be used instead of it.

The fact that PUP was involuntary is totally irrelevant. Current or previous electricity or other bills are totally irrelevant and will make absolutely no difference to the outcome.

The deciding officer has no discretion in awarding or not awarding fuel allowance. The applicant either meets the conditions or they don’t.

Remember, the deciding officer is sitting with the applicants claim history in detail in front of them and the conditions attached to fuel allowance besides that. It is a tick box exercise quite simply.

Those on PUP when it ended where, if eligible transitioned to JSB automatically, there was no application required. You say you applied for JSB and was bizarrely put on JSA, which is means tested.

If you spent a week on JSA in error, then by default albeit an error & where on PUP, say for a year, you would then qualify.

I remain confused as to why you even applied for JSB when PUP was ending, this was not required.

It's up to you, but if you were on JSA, even for a week you qualified, albeit in error.

No one was required to apply for JSB after PUP if you were eligible it was done automatically given the numbers involved, if you hadn't required stamps for JSB, you were invited to apply for JSA. I was on PUP & moved automatically to JSB & received a letter confirming this.

It literally makes no sense, DSP put you JSA in error but that aside, as I've explained if you were on JSB and went onto a CE scheme, you will not get Fuel Allowance.

If you can prove you were on JSA, even for a week & in error you may have a slim chance.

Time on PUP & JSA prior to starting a CE Scheme will count towards eligibility for Fuel Allowance.

I've come across many people on CE SCHEMES who were never on PUP who did not have enough time on JSA prior to starting a CE scheme & have been repeatedly refused fuel allowance whilst on the scheme , the Eligibility clock stops the minute you start a CE scheme.

Applications can take up to 4 weeks, application if approved will be backdated if you've no decision by start date, you should have a decision this or next week.

If JSA was more advantageous to you, you should have been left on it and not switched to JSB? Did DSP explain why they switched you, especially if it left you worse off?

It was relevant I'm afraid as self employed Jobseekers have to go through an entirely different process, produce accounts etc I'm finding your story a litte hard to believe, frankly. You've posted this Tale on AAM and story kept changing.

Ultimately the bottom line is, DSP have by all accounts made the correct decision.

Did you join Boards just to post this 🙄

Read the Thread.

No abuse, just pointing out the obvious, what are up to now 10 posts 🙄 bless your cotton socks, keep this up you'll reach 20 by the end of day

No I’m afraid not. You have to be in an eligible payment in order to apply and SWA is not an eligible payment.

Silly you, there's a rather large difference between Self employed & Paye Jobseekers, starting with having to produce detailed accounts, I suspect given your petulance you may not even know what accounts are.

Time to move on 🙄

Says someone with 64 posts 🙄

Self employed JSBE is assessed on a claimants earnings or lack thereof from self employment, stamps paid also an entirely different ball game but clearly your again deliberately deflecting from the fact you did not disclose you were self employed until, rather late in this thread, you also had an entirely different fairy tale on AAM.

I get your a little angry at be caught out, you can continue to insult, I'm long enough on Boards & thick skinned.

Now get over self, perhaps request this ridiculous thread be closed, your making an Eejit of yourself

My interest in AAM money is none of your concern but I did find it curious you seeking advice on two Forums. Perhaps you thought you might get the answer you wanted there as opposed to the factual response you got here.

Your clearly not aware that AAM has a number of Finance forums and I've been on it since 2021 as have others on this forum who spotted your fairy tale elsewhere.

Your observations on my long history on Boards is curious but yes, I spent much time on here during the pandemic helping those, including self employed navigate PUP, which I clearly understood more than you. I also contributed to other forums, which became quite ugly, so now only post in State Benefits forum.

I'm also now on DA after a very long career and sought advice from others on this forum more experienced than I.

Despite your petulance, changing story & facts which frankly beggar's belief, you got the answer to your query which clearly you don't like.

Now move on, this nonsense is becoming quite Tiresome