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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Taking out a couple of arms depots out is like the policing of drugs supplies they only get 10% this is stalemate territory Ukraine can't fight this unjust war alone time for a non nuclear nato involvement. Russian gangsters have a limitless resource of manpower and soon NK will get involved, we finish Russia now before its to late.

    Ukraine will run out of steam but I don't want a Russian victory



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭zv2


    It really is high time for Turkey to step up and finish this war. They could supply Ukraine with tons of artillery. Has the whole world lost its moral compass?

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,349 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Seems China are now supplying Russia with a lot of equipment from reports on telegram and twitter etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Fintan is first and foremost a socialist, in his own eyes.


    Solidarity with Russia, default soft spot for anyone who opposes the West.


    These are core beliefs.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭yagan


    You've obviously missed the memo, the US and China are in a mending phase so probably just Russia bots.

    China helping Russia would be a waste when everything is cheaper for them in a fire sale.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    The old school left was full of useful idiots. Their main core belief when it came to international relations was that imperialism is something that only the west can do. When other large countries invade and annex their neighbours, it's totally different and the west's fault for making them do it.

    The old-school left was very receptive to Russian propaganda for years, mostly due to them sharing common ground when it came to the labour movement. During the time of the USSR, you would really struggle to find anyone on the right being such a useful idiot.

    That's changed a lot in the last 10 years or so. Now you can find the useful idiots at both ends of the horseshoe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The right had plenty of useful idiots defending various Juntas and apartheid states. They were also happy to defend all the shte the US, French and English were up to.

    Personally I think being so in awe of any of the major powers is stupid and nieve as they are all dodgy. But they are not all dodgy all the time and the world isnt black and white.

    Just because the US were the bad guys post 9/11 doesn't mean they can't be the good guys this time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭yagan


    The neocons invaded Iraq on a false pretext and left us in Europe dealing with millions of displaced people after they post interest and went home.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    China is increasingly using Ukraine as a testing ground for a lot of their equipment for the coming war with Taiwan. North Korea seem to want to enter the fray soon also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭zv2


    ...


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭Deub




  • Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭thereitisgone


    Maybe, but its not just about the ammunition, its about the logistics that were used to get that ammunition there to the front t line in the first place and the logistics needed to replace them

    How long is that area going to have to wait to get replacements

    These thoughts of the endless supply of Russian artillery munitions and what they may get from North Korea are one thing

    but the Russians are notoriously bad at weapons logistics, still manhandling crates instead of pallets



  • Registered Users Posts: 931 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    Plus the use of private logistics haulers. If it becomes too dangerous they walk away and then the Russian militia need to use their one tonne trucks on cheap tyres and mobilised serfs to hand ball the stuff.



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    Greece and Turkey won't supply much due simply to the fact that despite being NATO allies, they are at each others throats for decades



  • Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭thereitisgone


    Private haulers are going nowhere near the front lines, its trains from Russia then Ural army trucks in convoys to the front

    Its the Russian weak point and the Ukrainians know it

    East of this ammunition dump that was destroyed Russian bloggers said the Ukrainians fired artillery non stop for 24 hours in last day before attacking while the Russians counted 9 shells from there own side in that period



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Ukraine will run out of men - B

    Russia has vast amounts of manpower - I

    North Korea will help - N

    what about Iraq - G

    Almost got today's card. Must be panic on the fronts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,162 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I wonder does anyone know where Putin is or is going to be in advance?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    They are going close enough to be hit with HIMARS with it's tungsten warhead.

    Assuming they are private haulers.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Please tell me how you know this. Any links or evidence would be appreciated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,412 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    seems like a fairly obvious keyboard assumption given China will certainly receive lots of battlefield data on the use of its equipment, and we know their open policy on Taiwan, where military tension and posturing and brinkmanship has been a constant for decades now. This includes DPRK.




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,446 ✭✭✭jmreire


    No, he didn't do it to save his own life. As Christs Vicar on earth, He trusts in the will of God, as he should. Besides, he was not in any danger from Putin, imagine the world wide reaction against him if the Pope got killed while on a trip to Russia? He'd be better off going the nuclear route. Because the results would be the same. He reminded a group of young Catholics that a different and better Russia existed before Putin's, and could exist again. And that translates as support for the regime?. If he didn't speak out against Putin,( as I'm sure one of his predecessor's, John-Paul would have done, and strongly too) neither was it an endorsement of him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,432 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Don’t be tempted to give the Chinese too much credit. What you described is an original and clever use of technology, which I feel is beyond their current gifts. Keep in mind that a shocking amount of Chinese tech is a sub-par copy/paste of tech they’ve gained access to or simply stole. Much of that cloned military tech is redressed Soviet hardware, and the lesson they are likely learning (if any) is that they really need to clone some HIMARs and some Bradleys and maybe some Leopards.

    Of the millions in the CCP, they haven’t an original bone between them. They have manpower for sure, and enough reasources to ensure enough bullets are there, but they really aren’t much sharper than post-Soviet Russians when it comes to warfare or preparing for it. They’ll try to copy Ukraine, but they won’t study why they succeeded, or how they succeeded, they’ll just make their own Wish.com copy of the AFU arsenal and hope that’s good enough.

    China is in better shape than Russia for sure….but not by all that much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    What other weapons than possibly shells and small drones have the Chinese supplied?

    No tanks, sea drones, landing vessels, Chinese versions of Himars or their J-10 jets to learn from - These would all be needed to attack Taiwan and therefore would be fairly obvious equipment to receive battlefield data on their use. An obvious keyboard assumption indeed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Your fooling nobody with this "better Russia" sht. He invoked the Russian Empire just like Putin does.

    A number of very Catholic countries who were victims of that empire don't agree with your blatant sucking of the Pope's ring.

    He fuked up with his limp little comments. The man commands one of the biggest voices in world media and with that voice he has been nothing but a coward when it comes to Putin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,432 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I thought this Pope was indeed in person in St. Petersburg and had to travel from there to Mongolia.

    The threat to his life still stands though.

    Didn't the Italian authorities say Pope John Paul II's assassination attempt was by the Soviets (Russia). And that attempt was in Rome. Not in Russia or Mongolia.

    He plamased the audience of a great past Russian empire.

    He apologised after for his choice of words.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭thomil


    @Rawr I feel like that is underestimating the Chinese approach to things quite considerably. While their command & control style is very much Red Army ca. 1960s i.E. highly centralised, this has slowly been changing over the last decade or so, especially on the naval side of things. The PLA Navy has increasingly pushed out to blue water operations, sending ships to the Horn of Africa on a regular basis, and using their diplomatic clout /economic blackmail as part of the Belt & Road initiative to secure ports and bases further afield in the process.

    As for their equipment, once again the last decade or two have seen a sea change in that regard. Originally yes, a lot of their equipment would have been carbon copies of Russian, or indeed Western equipment. But China's approach ever since their opening to the west in the 1970s has been threefold: Imitate, Iterate, Innovate.

    Now, what do I mean by that?

    • Imitate: This is fairly straightforward. Take foreign designs and copy them. Prime examples of this would be the Chengdu J-7, originally a carbon copy of the MiG-21, the Xian H-6 bomber, a clone of the Tupolev Tu-16 Badger, or indeed the Liaoning, the PLA Navy's first aircraft carrier, which is literally just the former Soviet/Russian aircraft carrier Varyag.
    • Iterate: At this stage, what were up until now carbon copies will start receiving modifications based on the PRC's needs and operational experience. Later versions of the J-7 would be a classic example, as would the later J-11, or indeed China's current primary carrier fighter, the J-15. China's second aircraft carrier, the Shandong is a pretty good example as well, sticking to the general layout of the Liaoning/Varyag but introducing improvements to the engines, deck layout, island superstructure and sensors/combat systems.
    • Innovate: At this point, the PRC takes everything it has learned from the previous stages and uses it to custom design equipment specifically for their use. In many areas, China reached this point quite a while ago. Their latest aircraft carrier, the Fujian, the Chengdu J-20 stealth fighter, or even the regular J-10, as well as most surface warships of the PLA Navy are clear examples of this. Especially the Fujian should not be underestimated. She's the size of the second generation of US Navy super carriers and will be the largest non-US carrier once she enters service in another year or two. Besides, a fourth aircraft carrier, this one expected to be nuclear-powered, is already under construction.

    This is not just restricted to military matters, by the way. Whether it's cars, trains, consumer electronics or even civil airliners, the PRC has been systematically using this approach to build up and then fine-tune its industrial base. Just compare some of the early Xiaomi or Huawei smartphones to the current models. The jump in quality goes far beyond the general changes for the industry. The same for cars, scooters, etc..

    Does every single one of these designs work? No, of course not. China's first attempt at an airliner, a carbon copy of the Boeing 707 called the Y-10, was so pathologically unstable as to be almost useless, and several earlier Chinese car designs have well-earned reputations as death traps. Not to mention the 79€ tablets or smart phones that you can buy via aliexpress or similar sites. But this low-price low quality segment is no longer the entirety of China's technological capability and it would be foolish to underestimate this country, its ambitions or its capabilities.

    Now, I do agree with your assessment that Chinese equipment is not up to western standards. However, it is significantly better than anything Russia can produce in mass numbers and what's more, China has both the manpower and the manufacturing base to crank out massive numbers of even advanced military systems.

    Whether their command & control capabilities, as well as their doctrine, is able to keep up is another matter.

    Post edited by thomil on

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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