Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Things change, sure.

That doesn't mean we need to drive this sort of change.

It's high carbon, drives inequality (local and global), drives corruption, and is unsustainable - is any of that really desirable?

But hey, as you say - because as I've pointed out before on this thread, the people in favour of this can almost inevitably only think of themselves in this regard - we might get a new footballer out of it.

So you've no evidence. And there's evidence to cast doubts on your views, in terms of foreign players in the GAA or general surveys on the integration of Muslims in western society.

Where did I assume that every person or community behaves the same? I do know the link between Muslim immigration and increased anti-Semitic attacks that I linked earlier was across a number of countries - Holland, Belgium, France, Norway, Sweden, Britain. The question back to you I suppose is - why you do think Ireland should be different?

And probably the answer - based on your posts here - is that you'd rather ignore that question, and anything remotely along those lines.

Irish culture is only not on its way to a minority if you assume that the only thing that drives culture is geographical coincidence. That anyone in Ireland is by definition Irish. But that's an absurd over-simplification of things. Culture is far more subtle than that. Look at the riots in France when Morocco and France met in the World Cup last year for example - plenty of French born people who considered themselves Moroccan first and foremost, and were happy to riot over it.

And I think Wibbs has given the really obvious example of the situation up North, where people certainly wouldn't consider themselves Irish just because they were born here.

There's a huge amount wrong with your posts - and again, to reiterate, you completely ignore carbon generation, growing inequality (local and global), corruption, and the other global factors that I've regularly referenced.

I believe that to really integrate properly into a culture takes a lot longer than you make it out. Particularly in an era where you can easily access, for example, your own local TV, keep in touch with your own local culture, and so on. I know people born here who don't identify as Irish - as indeed Gatling as pointed out in the post immediately above yours.

And while some people absolutely do integrate seamlessly (and I know some of those as well), the reality is there's big differences in cultures across the globe. And the more different the culture, the less likely you are to quietly blend in. Again, I've given examples of this.

And what we have is not a trickle by the way. It's unprecedented across our entire history. A million people in 20 years, give or take. Do you think these people immediately become Irish when they step off the plane? I don't think any of them would agree with if so.

So again, for you to argue - as you effectively are doing - that being Irish is a geographical accident with no more depth than that is complete nonsense.

So you don't think they'll become Irish, but you don't think Irish people will become a minority in Ireland either, despite the ongoing "trickle" of immigration which is actually 50k a year for the past two decades and growing?

Right so.

And despite the earlier suggestion by another poster that there's plenty of foreigners who are starring in various GAA players, there's actually no evidence at all for this - there's evidence, in fact, for the exact opposite. So this challenges your argument that "plenty will take up Irish games and customs"

Your views just don't stack up in the slightest. They're what you think will happen, but that doesn't bear any relation to reality.

And we still haven't actually worked out what the point of all this is. Given that, again, it's carbon heavy, drives global and local inequality, holds back national economies or mires them in corruption, destroys diversity (turning everywhere the same) and all the other points mentioned before.

Edit - that post at suvigirl; I can't add in the quote post now because Vanilla boards is ****.

This is a mess of a post really with no real attempt to engage in a proper discussion. So for example, the very first line - "I don't know how you can talk about climate change corruption and inequality and yet still pist [sic] against immigration" - I've explained this numerous times. The drain it causes on other economies. The way it holds them back from developing their economies (because we're taking all their skilled people - exactly the same way we would have taken their raw materials under colonialism before). The way it destroys their demographics and leaves them on in demographic crisis.

Carbon - I've already pointed out the record high number of flights that we have (as reported by flightradar) - and of course we do, when we move everyone apart around the globe. We need to reduce that, not keep increasing it. Your "all that's left is the dust..." is a sentence I literally can't begin to decipher. It doesn't make sense. Genuinely, it's that badly written.

Do we have a problem with Islamaphobia here? Or are you mixing up Islamophobia with very legitimate criticisms of it as a culture? Its anti-Semitic and homophobic tendencies, as evidenced by the 2013 survey in Austria I linked earlier? Maybe you're ok with these attitudes; I don't know.

Your view of the North is so shallow as to ignore so much of its history. Historia est magistra vitae, as the saying goes - history is life's teacher. Ignore it at your peril. And you're ignoring it.

We're not going to agree - but it seems you're also not going to actually engage in the discussion. "I don't know how you can talk about climate change corruption and inequality and yet still pist [sic] against immigration" you say, even though I've explained it quite clearly before. And when I explain it again, you ignore it again, and fall back on the old "I'm not replying to you; you're rude" line we saw earlier. It's a rather disingenuous way of arguing, and it really takes away hugely from your posts.

And then, I don't know how many pages later, we still have unanswered the question (from my post #2336, but asked repeatedly in the thread) "And we still haven't actually worked out what the point of all this is. Given that, again, it's carbon heavy, drives global and local inequality, holds back national economies or mires them in corruption, destroys diversity (turning everywhere the same) and all the other points mentioned before."