"Green" policies are destroying this country

For someone who keeps telling us to follow the science, I`m surprised you appear to believe that 5% regarded as the tipping point.

Davis Centola professor of communications and sociology at the University of Pennsylvania in his book "How to Make Great Things Happen" puts it at 25%. As does the publicaton Scientific America.

Lower than that it`s a meh that can go either way.

I`m guessin that the FIE are not looking to the High Court to clear up the vugueness around how much this climate action plan will cost taxpayers ?

As the taxpayer is funding all their trips to courts it`s the least they could do.

You aren't showing Betamax, VHS (OK vcr is included but looks incredibly high and wrong), CD, Minidisc, Dvd, Bluray on there. All exceeded 5% in the US in recent history. Where are they now? I suppose that's the benefit of stopping the chart at 2005.

We had a greater penetration of electrified transport in the 1930s than we do now. What happened last time?

Nonsense, they don't care what they develop. What they see is Euro-dollar signs and pivot to the stream they view as most lucrative. A box with a battery and motor has fewer components for them to deliver, so greater profit margins. It could be something else in a few more years and another pivot to whatever that is. For all we know, it could be some new ICE.

All that stuff about tipping points and percentages disgard both external factors and leave out the instances that dont fit. That is what you get in a model with a simplified set of variables where you assume a form of linearity. Like all economic models or climate ones for that matter. It keeps the academics happy. The reality is, as always, more complex and dynamic. Humans want to simplify things so we can 'handle' them, ie control them. It gives us a sense of power. It is our main psychological hangup. Arrogant to the core and destructive..

That has beem a brilliant swizz by the schools. Yea lers cut down on waste by getting rid of bins. My young lad wont eat an apple/orange/banana at school anymore as he doesnt want to carry around the core/skins and bins are only for paper. I dont know what is more barmy, the implementation of the schools green flag initiative or the young fella

Hybrid cars are a scam of the highest order. And "self charging" as a marketing slogan should be banned too. They are no different to a regular ICE car except are more inefficient engine wise. I've said this before here on this thread. We've a 2018 CH-R with a 1.8 petrol and "self-charging" battery. It averages 6.1l/100km. We've a 2012 2.2l diesel too. Averaging 5.7l/100km. Either go full electric, or small engined petrol car (if that suits the use case) and forget about hybrid nonsense.

In February the E.U. Parliament voting to ban the sales of new ICE cars after 2035 resulted in major headlines.

What didn`t generate anywhere near the same headlines is that Germany didn`t like the idea and along with others who felt the same, including Italy, Poland, the Czech Republic, forced the E.U. into accepting that ICE car running on e-fuels can still be manufactured and sold after 2035 in the E.U.

It will be interesting to see what will qualify as this e-fuel where we have biomass making up 60% of the EU`s carbon neutral energy claim when it produces more CO2 emissions than coal. But then Germany is a major user of wood burning domestically, so there is a bit of an established pattern there with the big boy in the class getting his way while the rest are left to suck it up and play along.

My guess is that in a few years hybrids will be added to the allowed list due to general chain supply issues..

And we will be able to buy non EU ICEs. Newer engines are being developed outside the EU ( mainly in Asia)based on new tech, not necessarily 'green' labeled; at least not yet. See how this works? The EU puts spanners in the wheels. Tech goes elsewhere. The path of least résistance wins out. The EU on the bottom..

Another rather naïve view - example of how greens hear about something in development and immediately try present it as sure fire solution to everything.

I am wondering how much do you actually know about sodium batteries?

Sodium is low cost and abundant yet there is no free lunch and certainly not active development.

To simplify what you forgot to mention let us just say that any massive scale sodium battery storage is not going to happen any time soon due to several key issues which are still not solved.

 These types of batteries suffer from some problems such as high operating temperature, very corrosive nature of molten cathodes, and very high internal resistance. So that any fracture in the electrolyte ceramic will eventually lead to flame and battery explosion.

It is a con game. This school example is being used worldwide. Factories keep polluting air but they are ok because they do have cert they bought that someone somewhere planted x amount of trees on their behalf. Whole credit carbon marked is complete nonsense and it was exposed long time ago.

What is even more funnier is that green geniuses now go after agri and try to get rid of most of it because why not? We can get cheap meat and other food imported from South America or Asia. They dont realize that some day after we finish "rewilding" that beef or corn may not be cheap anymore.

Same thing with EV's. They are green dream come true as long as dirty lithium, cadmium and other minerals mines stay on another continent. Hell we will even ship scrapped vehicles back there as we do with our electronic waste for quite some time.