Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

The dept of ag there's a few anti livestock. Teagasc tillage dept did a job to hide figures working with the epa down through the years.

We're basically in some plant based fourth day evangelist dystopian reality in this country.

In the 50/100 cow bracket I reckon you’ll see a lot of lads not submitting bps and selling off entitlements and farming off the grid ….something I’m strongly considering

The nitrate rules are part of the long delayed Water Directive to which all industries have to compli with, so compliance will still be in issue, BPS or not via local CC's etc.. Alot of this sh*t show could have been avoided if DAFM had properly implemented existing regs, but as highlighted in last weeks IFJ, they failed and failed badly which is why things went back to Brussels.

Co-ops will take the milk no issue and bord bia don't at the minute have any issue re nitrates/stocking rates, I have first-hand experience of the above, no bps has been submitted here the past 9 years and haven't touchwood had so much as a angry letter from the department about it

I wouldn’t be saying that to milk more cows it would be to mantain current numbers and viability ….for lots it will be a real option

It's unfair on the lads with plenty land too but the landowners keeping the maps. It's all about the maps now.

In that boat here 30 acres rented for years, landowner leases maps to another party. Losing 20 acres of leased ground away from home farm next year also which will all lead to just focusing on cows and the bare replacements. Annoying having the land to cater for a beef operation alongside but regs would allow this going forward and land won’t be farmed to its potential.

They do not care one bit Charlie attended the meeting with the commissioner online like what an absolute joke, colm Markey has criticized him on Twitter over this yet he as an mep has failed to contribute anything to this whole fiasco either.

The milk of 4 cows would cover the payment here....it's no contest.

Yep, been obvious for a long time. I'm all for lads letting them stick their few bob where the sun doesn't shine but I'm not sure it's a great long term plan. Best of luck to anyone going down that road though.

I suggested it at a teagasc meeting before and the teagasc man took it very badly. Got very upset about it altogether. You are deluded if you think you can keep the dept of ag out of your yard he said. DELUDED. That was the end of that conversation.

Dairy, Beef, Sheep and tillage sectors all have genuine reasons to make it very uncomfortable for McConalogue and all Government TD’s at the ploughing. As you say, the opportunity should not be wasted.

the ministers solution is for farmers to export slurry to tillage and build more storage.

Knowing that the changes in N concentration of slurry has halved lending it uneconomic to export, and TAMS not being available in anything, you can only say that this Minister is a lying phuq..

If your not allowing at least 5 cent plus a litre for wages your only fooling yourself, between the father and relief Milker its roughly 4 cent a litre on the years supply and would be taking circa 3 cent a litre in "wages" myself to keep the house running

Your break even isn’t 32 then …..