RWC 2023 Ireland v Romania Buildup - Sat 09th Sep 14:30 Bordeaux

ionadnapokot · 04-09-2023 8:28am #1

The start of a glorious campaign…

My best guess at the sides for the next two games:

v Romania - Ireland could win by 70+ points with this side

Keenan; Earls or Hansen, Ringrose, McCloskey, Lowe; Sexton, JGP; Kilcoyne, Kelleher, Furlong or Bealham; Beirne, Ryan; POM, vdF, Conan or Doris

Reps:

Herring, Loughman, Bealham or Fulrong, Henderson, Baird, Casey, Byrne, Henshaw.

v Tonga - Ireland could win by 10-15 points with this side

JOB; Hansen or Earls, Ringrose, Henshaw or Aki, Lowe; Crowley, Murray; Porter, Herring or Sheehan, Bealham; Henderson, McCarthy; Baird, Doris, Conan

Reps:

Sheehan or Herring, Kilcoyne, Furlong, Ryan, POM, Casey, Sexton, Aki or Henshaw.

Sanjuro · 04-09-2023 8:36am

Think JOB will more likely play full back against Romania than Tonga, with Keenan in for the later.

ionadnapokot · 04-09-2023 8:37am

Maybe JOB is still nursing the shoulder?

Sanjuro · 04-09-2023 8:41am

Hadn't thought of that.

irelandrover · 04-09-2023 8:53am

I dont think Sexton and JGP will start this one together. Means not starting them against Tonga. Wouldn't be surprised to see Murray/Casey and sexton for Romania, and JGP with Crowley/Byrne for Tonga. And then go front choice pair from then on.

Is Kelleher even fit to start the first game?

Buer · 04-09-2023 9:04am

I would imagine that those returning from injury will start this one if they are actually fit and able. Kelleher in particular needs game time and needs to be tested. Apparently he's fully fit so start him here and, if he does cop an injury (which he seems to do with alarming regularity), it provides the earliest opportunity to get Stewart in.

Similar situation for Conan who is apparently back in training.

Doris and Herring featured in all the warm ups. They aren't needed at all for this game outside of a bench appearance in the case of Herring due to no alternative.

I'd expect a fairly strong side but not full strength. Probably first choice halfbacks and centres but I wouldn't be too worried about the back three or the back row.

Something along the lines of Keenan, JOB, Ringrose, Aki, Earls, Sexton, JGP, Conan, VDF, Baird, Beirne, Ryan, Furlong, Kelleher, Kilcoyne.

stephen_n · 04-09-2023 9:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066627#Comment_121066627

Sexton hasn’t played a game since March. There’s no way He’s going into the SA game cold. He will start one and probably bench the other of these two games I’d imagine. He needs match fitness of some sort.

snotboogie · 04-09-2023 9:32am

Italy and Georgia both put 50 points on Romania in the warm ups, the US who didn't qualify beat them comfortably as well. Portugal and Georgia also both beat them comfortably in the 6 nations B tournament this year. They have only one player playing in the top 14, they have a handful in Pro D2 and the rest are in their domestic league. They are probably the weakest team in the competition. Maybe since its their first game Romania might really target it and they could put it up to Ireland for a while but its very hard to see Ireland not running up a massive score.

irelandrover · 04-09-2023 9:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066689#Comment_121066689

Where in my post did I suggest that Sexton goes in cold against South Africa? I was only talking about who starts and even then suggested that Sexton starts against Romania.

But since it wasnt clear apparently i edited my post that i dont think they start together

04-09-2023 10:05am

I expect the team is going to be more first choice than people suspect as I think Farrell will want good continuity in the build up to rounds 3 and 4.

I suspect wider speculation as to who is first / second / third choice in a number of positions to really kick off when we see the 23 for Romania.

Some suggestion on here about Bealham pushing ahead of Furlong. Possible but I didn't come away with that impression for the warm ups - more just a sign of how well Bealham is playing and Furlongs relatively poor season. If Bealham started this one I'd be more convinced he pushing for first choice but the context of the rest of the 23 could well temper that depending.

Similarly the starting and bench second row will be interesting. I think we know where things stand with the backrow.

We know our first choice back three, 10 and 13. There is some talk about Murray for Gibson Park for SA, if the coaches are thinking that then he'll be starting this one (I don't think they're thinking that).

I think Aki is shading the 12 battle at the moment but that's one I'm less certain of. If Farrell thinks Aki is match ready then another game for Henshaw or McCloskey wouldn't do any harm to keep them building, especially Henshaw as backup 13.

Bench will likely be the talking point depending on how we go. Second row and 10 cover probably the biggest question. As some have suggested, an injury might change who shifts into the starting team - but I'd say we'll be able to read a reasonable amount into the selection when looked at as a whole.

molloyjh · 04-09-2023 10:22am

It’s worth noting that the weather forecast for Saturday in Bordeaux is for mid-30s. It’s going to be very uncomfortable playing in that during the hottest part of the day. We’ll win well, but between the sweaty ball and the heat I wouldn’t be expecting a vintage display.

Crash · 04-09-2023 10:23am

I'd assume for any games Johnny's going to be involved in, he'll start in, right? Easier to control his minutes as a starter, pull him off when you want to vs. the potential of an injury or a HIA forcing him onto the pitch and having to stay on it for the full game? Or am I overthinking it.

04-09-2023 10:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067083#Comment_121067083

He needs to start the next two games - he can't go into a ferocious contest with SA without having two hard enough run outs. He may only play a half or so, but I'm pretty certain he starts the next two games unless training has been extremely high intensity and they're ultra confident in his conditioning and match fitness.

ionadnapokot · 04-09-2023 10:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067088#Comment_121067088

I also think Sexton needs to start the next two games but shouldn't!

His age, injuries and hopefully a long run in the tournament it might be better to ease him back.

Don't like the idea of him starting against Tonga and getting smashed up before SA smash him up.

sydthebeat · 04-09-2023 11:03am

if its dry, ireland by 50. Romania to score one single try.

i just want to see ireland be clinical, have good discipline, and move the romanians around the pitch going coast to coast. no need to get into an arm wrestle with these guys at all. They will miss macovei from the back row and if they are without surugiu at 9 that will mean they are without over 200 caps of experience.

dont give a sucker an even break. We need to play high tempo and be patient by not throwing 50/50 offloads etc trusting our patterns and decision making to create the breaks.

Podge_irl · 04-09-2023 11:18am

I think he'll start against Romania and then we'll just see how he goes from there. If he needs another game, he needs another game. If he looks good I'd say they'll leave him on the bench for Tonga.

pickarooney · 04-09-2023 11:40am

Going to miss this and Sco/Sa with stupid work

04-09-2023 12:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067436#Comment_121067436

Ha. You amateur.

Me for the next two months:

04-09-2023 12:04pm

It's finally here, huzzah.

stephen_n · 04-09-2023 12:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066876#Comment_121066876

Sorry I misunderstood so, I read it as you suggesting Sexton didn’t start either Romania or Tonga.

ionadnapokot · 04-09-2023 1:19pm

Ireland v Romania RWC 1999

6 RWCs later and Ireland are now a rugby powerhouse.

Unlikely Romania will ever return to their "golden age"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2055754141/the-rise-and-fall-of-romanian-rugby

BOD DG on 81' 41v14 up. Romania should have collared him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9wDNoiUeaR4

RichieRich_89 · 04-09-2023 3:35pm

I think I would go with:

Cian Healy
Dan Sheehan
Tadhg Furlong
James Ryan
Tadhg Beirne
Peter O'Mahony
Josh van der Flier
Caelan Doris
Blane McIlroy
Paddy Jackson
Jacob Stockdale
Fua Leiofi Bundellu Aki
Garry Ringrose
Mack Hansen
Hugo Keenan
Ronan Kelleher
Cian Healy
Finlay Bealham
Robbie Henshaw
Conor Murray
Iain Henderson

Ben Bailey · 04-09-2023 4:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121068691#Comment_121068691

I've seen players criticised as 'empty jerseys' but this is the first time I've seen them on a team sheet 😉

pickarooney · 04-09-2023 7:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067938#Comment_121067938

When did the dive pass and the swingy arm inside pass go out of fashion?

Podge_irl · 04-09-2023 7:40pm

Suspect the dive pass has gone cause multi-phase play is more common and having to get off the ground to get the next phase just delays things.

Pete_Cavan · 04-09-2023 7:45pm

Sexton can't start both the first two games, that means he starts every game which he is available for. Farrell is obviously hoping Sexton stays fit for Ireland's full involvement and is planning around Ireland being in the final.

The chances of Sexton being fit to start every game en route to the final is low, he needs to be managed. He starts against Romania, then SA two weeks later, and against Scotland two weeks after that. Then it's every week on the trot and hope he holds up.

The second choice also needs to start against Tonga so that he isn't being thrown in cold should Sexton get injured.

typhoony · 04-09-2023 8:06pm

Bar a few players I think he'll play the majority of the strongest starting 15, only ones outside of them that I can see starting is Kellegher, McCloskey and one of of Earls/JOB

Think he'll want to start Conan if he's fit. Possibly McCarthy as a wild card to start but doubt it.

AbusesToilets · 04-09-2023 8:27pm

I'd say the first two games will be a shoot out between Henderson and McCarthy for the bench vs SA

MaddChris · 04-09-2023 10:31pm

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ionadnapokot · 05-09-2023 8:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121069539#Comment_121069539

Scrum half gets protection these days (ridiculous amounts!), hard for forwards to get near him e.g. offside line at the ruck.

The swingy arm inside pass!! Is that the type of pass BOD used to do?

pickarooney · 05-09-2023 10:39am

You see it in all the old videos. The Romania clip above and watching Ireland Australia from 1999 the other day just brought it back to me. Nearly all passes these days are either spin passes or hard, flat ones, compared to the sort of slow, pendulum-swing pass from the old days. The running style has changed a bit too.

Larbre34 · 05-09-2023 1:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121069787#Comment_121069787

As it should be.

Given McCarthy's youthful exuberance and consequential penalty count though, I'd be opting for Henderson for that fixture. His leadership and experience immense too. McCarthy has another 3 World Cups in him if happens that he does not get much game time in France this time out. But I'm very glad he's there.

molloyjh · 05-09-2023 2:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121072494#Comment_121072494

Did McCarthy not concede just a singular penalty in his 2 appearances in the warm-ups? He gave away 1 vs Italy IIRC and is down for 0 against England (I have the official match stats for that one but not the Italy one).

AbusesToilets · 05-09-2023 4:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121072761#Comment_121072761

He had a clean sheet iirc. Penalties being the biggest knock against since his debut.

leakyboots · 05-09-2023 8:29pm

Killer, Conan and Sheehan out for this one

swiwi_ · 05-09-2023 8:46pm

Gonna be honest I’m not going to watch this game. It’s one if the duds of the opening round. It’s the equivalent of NZ vs Namibia in Pool A.

Ireland will put out a strong side then quickly bring on the subs once the score blows out.

Main goal will be no injuries.

05-09-2023 9:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121074233#Comment_121074233

Yeah if I wasn't Irish I probably wouldn't bother. There are some great games this weekend all the same. France v NZ obviously the major fixture but Scotland v South Africa a huge game, and due to recent form Wales v Fiji and England v Argentina are now major pool games. Going to be a very unproductive few days.

Following weekend by contrast is nothing to write home about - Aus v Fiji and England v Japan the only two games that aren't more or less foregone conclusions.

Crash · 05-09-2023 10:26pm

This is my spreadsheet of "matches I might want to watch".

Funnily enough, there's literally nothing on week 4 that I care about. Probably a couple of things i could watch if really bored (Japan vs. Samo, Fiji vs. Georgia) but nothing really of any real interest.

(Note, my sister-in-law is English, hence "England vs. Chile" being in there).

Podge_irl · 05-09-2023 10:40pm

To be fair, England vs Chile could be absolutely hilarious if Chile do well.

salmocab · 06-09-2023 5:25am

Given how England celebrate a penalty I can imagine how they’ll celebrate slaying the mighty Chile

pickarooney · 06-09-2023 10:33am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121074636#Comment_121074636

They could become England's Hoodoo Chile

06-09-2023 10:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121074846#Comment_121074846

They're gone fierce Tim Henman alright.

Tennis fan: 'Tim, what did you win?'

Tim Henman: 'Nothing'

Tennis fan: 'Then why are you celebrating?

Tim Henman: 'TIM HENMAAAAAN'

walshb · 06-09-2023 10:46am

Get ready for the usual "we're sh1te" if we don't win by minimum 50 points.

Buer · 06-09-2023 10:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121075644#Comment_121075644

That's too clever for this place. Post reported.

thebaz · 06-09-2023 11:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121066841#Comment_121066841

They are only in the tournament cause of a technicality with Spain -will be a run around, get lads fit and game time , like Sexton , Tonga will be a big step up, similar to Samoa game , thats where it starts for me. But we really are not going to learn much from Romania game , maybe a gauge where Sexton is at .

Jump_In_Jack · 06-09-2023 12:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121074155#Comment_121074155

I really think the match against Romania is a fixture we just have to fulfil and it’s the lowest possible concern, I reckon we will put out a completely weakened side plus whoever needs a run, and will still win by out 50 points.

So, I’d say as those three are still injured it will be something like:

Loughman, Kelleher, O’Toole,

Henderson, McCarthy,

Baird, Doris, O’Mahony,

Casey, Sexton,

O’Brien, McCloskey, Henshaw, Earls,

Crowley.

R: Herring, Porter, Bealham, Beirne, Van der Flier, Murray, Byrne, Aki.

Expect someone to replace Doris after around 45 minutes.

We might see Beirne come on for Doris and slot in at blind side and Baird might push over to 8, and Van der Flier to come on after around 50 minutes to relieve O’Mahony.

sydthebeat · 06-09-2023 12:43pm

key goals for romania game:

TBP win
No serious injuries
not to be overpowered up front ie maul defense should be top notch. at least parity at scrum time
clean first phase running lines and guys hitting their marks.
get 50 mins at least in johnnys legs, crowley for the last 30

The Parish King · 06-09-2023 7:06pm

Interestingly, Murray Kinsella is reporting that it should be close to a full strength team, with Joe McCarthy starting as well.

May be an indication of the coaches thinking, and could also be a great chance for him to lay down a marker and work his way in to the 23 for the more challenging tests along the way!

aloooof · 06-09-2023 7:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121076251#Comment_121076251

I’d add “improved lineout” to that but that looks pretty spot on.

Must love hardship · 06-09-2023 7:23pm

Gerry T is not taking any chances with his squad.. not sure he left out anyone fit.. maybe casey?

IRELAND (possible): Hugo Keenan; Mack Hansen, Garry Ringrose, Bundee Aki, James Lowe; Johnny Sexton (capt), Jamison Gibson-Park; Andrew Porter, Rónan Kelleher/Rob Herring, Tadhg Furlong; Tadhg Beirne, James Ryan; Peter O’Mahony, Josh van der Flier, Caelan Doris.

Replacements: Rob Herring/Rónan Kelleher, Jeremy Loughman, Finlam Bealham, Joe McCarthy, Ryan Baird, Conor Murray, Ross Byrne/Jack Crowley, Stuart McCloskey/Robbie Henshaw/Keith Earls/Jimmy O’Brien

I'd like to see McCarthy start with Bierne at 6 and Baird at 19 and Pom in the no. 20 Jersey.

Jump_In_Jack · 06-09-2023 7:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121078115#Comment_121078115

Serious curve ball there, potentially full strength for Romania as a warm-up for SA and the second string out against Tonga? Mad stuff

RWC 2023 Ireland v Romania Buildup - Sat 09th Sep 14:30 Bordeaux

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