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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 872 ✭✭✭xl500


    See the nitrates derogation cut due to not reaching targets


    4 months allowed to reduce that's not going to happen

    Guess who will pay the upcoming fines I'll give you a clue it won't be the farmers



  • Registered Users Posts: 872 ✭✭✭xl500



    Why is this scheme required????


    Our is it just another taxpayer funded handout



  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    The Green loopers and their followers are the drivers of all this madness. Everyone i know bar none is itching to see them gone. The ballot box never lies and even the last time out they got a tiny percentage of the vote. That will be reduced massively next time leaving Ryan and his cronies shouting about lettuce boxes from the benches.



  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    That's because the growth is coming from the third world not Europe or the US etc..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭ps200306




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Yep. As if on cue, Ryan is in Kenya trying to proselytise poorer nations into his cult of unreliables:




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    deleted



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's like the old adage, if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Hello again. Here's more education.

    There'll be no fines. What would happen is the farmer could be prosecuted or lose some of their payments for breaching the new limit. Only person directly impacted is the farmer for breaching the new lower limit, or having to reduce stocking rates or rent/buy more land.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Show me the political party that doesn't have climate action as a core of their policies now.

    With that in mind, I ask you again, what do you think will change?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    Which part do you imagine is not true - the population growth or the sustainability of population growth that, in certain regions has doubled every twenty tears since 1960?



  • Registered Users Posts: 872 ✭✭✭xl500


    We are already paying fines for breaches so there's a little education for you and the taxpayer is paying the fines not the farmers who are responsible


    Basically one section of society destroys the environment and makes money doing it and another section of society pays for it


    It's a disgrace



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    What fines are imposed on the taxpayer for dairy farmers (I purposely put dairy farmers there as they are the ones directly affected, despite N leaching from tillage being higher depending on the management of the tillage operation) breaching the derogation limits?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The world’s largest floating offshore wind farm was just formally opened. It’s 140k off the Norwegian coast in a depth of between 260 and 300 meters. Its using

    This is the start of a planned 30GW of offshore wind for Norway



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Ok, let's assume that it IS a problem. We know that in the West the population is declining. Let's not dwell on the problems that will cause for the near future which are large. So, let's take the developing world where the population has been growing because of wealth creation, more food (thanks to fertilizer), technology and better healthcare. In other words they have seen less death and more general progress. The West has mainly stolen their recources, especially in Africa. Colonialism, propping up corrupt regimes, regime change etc. They have woken up and now want to be able to self determine their future which includes hydrocarbons. Then the 'green' neo colonialists come and say: no no no, you can't. It's solar panels and wind turbines. That is the future and don't expect any loans to develop your own hydro carbon industry. And you have too many people so real growth is not really acceptable.

    That is the western arrogance in a nut'Shell'. We know best. Listen to daddy. We will make it easy for you. Get green loans or die. Well, there is a reason BRICS+ is growing and attractive to newcomers.

    The greens do not see that hydro carbons will make those developing countries wealthier and will see population decline western style somewhere along the way after an initial rise. Stopping hydrocarbons altogether will keep them poor and families will have more children. The Greens in their minds don't really care about people or their prosperity. They care only about their ideology. They will sacrifice everything on the altar of their righteousness. They think all the green energy stuff actually works. They want to believe it so badly they'll stop at nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Little of this is actually true. Communities with no electricity are stunted by lack of access to information. Renewables such as PV allow local communities to access information through mobile phones which accelerates development. This doesn't require them to wait for central government to roll out a supply line to their remote villages. The good thing is that PV panels which have reached the end of their useful life in the west can be used by villagers in the developing world because they are still at 80% of their original capacity.

    Renewables benefit poor developing nations, not hinder them. It is accelerating development.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Where will this obsession with traffic end? Ryan really is losing the plot. Until such a time that it’s LAW for a cyclist to use the cycle lane, he’s wasting his time.

    Now he wants to make Pearse Street a two way? And where is he coming from with car centric over the last 5,6,7,8 decades? Im not old enough to comment on 8 decades ago, 5,6,7 yes I can and I can assure You there were very few cars around 7 decades ago, and before someone ask for proof,/source, I am only speaking from experience.

    Dublin will never sort out its traffic problems without ENFORCEMENT & a metro.

    Sooner this country is rid of these loopers the better for everyone..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 872 ✭✭✭xl500


    Dept of agriculture state 40% of farmers non-compliant in their slurry storage methods


    That's 40% folks


    We now have a situation where Ireland one of only 3 EU countries to negotiate a nitrates derogation which was granted on condition water quality improved

    We have failed to meet this condition so of course the EU wants to rescind the derogation


    Imagine the other countries looking on and not get any derogation watching Ireland continuing to pollute waterways and being granted a derogation it's crazy and absolutely correct that no further derogation should be granted

    If over stocking or over use of ferts etc is polluting our waterways then it must stop

    No other industry would be granted a derogation to continue to pollute

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  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    What's that got to do with the thread title? Maybe start a thread on Norway if you want.



  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭TedBundysDriver


    He lost the plot a long time ago. He is pushing these insane policies down people's throats holding a gun to this governments head. Unfortunately he is doing a lot of damage and will continue to do damage before they are slung out from the ballot box next time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Had a look for this given the lack of link - would you happen to be plucking an article from 2021 (and ignoring all of the actions since administered?)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Slurry storage != derogation

    Remember that in late 2021 the department decided to change the amount of organic manure cattle produce. For dairy cows it went from 90kg/ha to a banded system based on litres of milk produced. That change meant that with a stroke of a pen, storage that was adequate yesterday is not adequate today. The department recognised this and have TAMS grants available for extra slurry storage, which if you read the papers, applications were being delayed but is now going to be fasttracked. Having adequate storage was a requirement for derogation too so any farmers that have now been impacted by derogation have more storage than is required. Crazy the way things work



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    To add to above, I would have been considered in that "40%" statistic as it were, however when applying for a TAMS grant for something else, a department inspection (which literally ensures that you have adequate storage) showed that they completely missed counting an existing storage tank which would have put me well within the 60% "compliant" group. Same thing happened a friend of mine. Makes me wonder on the legitimacy of the stat to begin with.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The obsession with Ryan knows no bounds lol. A Dublin City Council project...... stupid Ryan hahah

    It must be the handful of Green councillors controlling the other 50+ councillors to do their bidding

    Could it be voodoo?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭creedp


    I think people may be holding their breath in vain if they think jettisioning the Greens from the political landscape wiill make a jot of difference to the way the Govt thinks and acts. In reality this State has been governed by FF/FG since its inception and the Greens have been the latest convenient scapegoat for these parties to ram unpopular environmental policies down our throats, all so Leo/Michael can earn a pat on the head from their EU masters. Puppets on a string with a variable master dependimg on the topic of the day.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Third time asking, what do you think will change if they are not part of the next government?

    Seriously, I'd love to know



  • Registered Users Posts: 872 ✭✭✭xl500


    Still doesn't change the fact that we didn't meet the conditions for the derogation ie improved water quality



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    No one is disputing that. Though it can be argued that the changes implemented on the ground haven't been given time to see how they are working out



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If solar panels are still working at 80% then I cannot see why householders would send them to developing nations.

    Are you talking about large commercial wind installations doing so when their government contracts end ?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,040 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Panels are taken out of service routinely, just like backup batteries. However the main reason is that due to increases in new panel efficiency over time, the cumulative effect of increasing panel efficiency and reduced production of in service panel efficiency mean that real estate becomes the limiting factor. By replacing old panels you can achieve 20+% production increases for the same footprint. That represent a significant income increase which would pay for itself in less than a season. Also with increasing time the single panel failure rate increases and this represent a labour cost in diagnosis and replacement. It is routine in industry to replace things on a schedule before their failure happens.

    Solar panels have no real lifespan, without been damaged they can produce indefinitely. Cabling would likely be the main failure mode - but it would be relatively simple to repair such panels. An 80% of new efficiency panel is still very useful to someone with no access to power of any type and people who have them can use them as the basis of small businesses offering charging services to their neighbours. Second hand panels can be transformative for developing communities.



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