The Wolfe Tones

Nice one Ronald. And here's another of the fabulous Ding Dong rebel songs.

I wonder how much of the hate for the armed struggle is borne out of guilt from a certain generation or even generations. No question the Republic were hopeless in 1922-1970 allowing what went on in NI with close to zero protest. The adults who lived down south in the early days of the troubles through early 1971 must have felt a lot of angst, this was after their fellow citizens being beaten, burnt out of their homes and then executed on the streets. And we in the south did nothing. Just like we did nothing when our children were being abused and our girls sent to a lifetime of slavery.

I think older children of the time would have absorbed the same feelings, and then as a defense mechanism (like their parents), pivoted to condemnation of the IRA, even after the hunger strikes. Meanwhile in the North the hunger strikes cemented Sein Fein support.

The young generation have no preconceived opinions. They were mostly born after 1994 when the troubles effectively ended, and have the anti government ethos that every young generation have. What sets them apart is they are the first Irish since early Celtic Tiger days to have a lot to complain about, specifically the unavailability of affordable accomodation. It is an actual national disgrace.

So they will sing "Up the Ra" and it means "**** you". Get used to it.

Strange how you don't mention the people, including children, who the Provos murdered. You don't mention the children abused by Provo paedophiles. You don't mention the women raped by Provos. They don't seem to factor into your thinking at all.

Sinn Fein still continues to protect these paedophiles and rapists, and their protectors.

This "anti-government" ideology you speak of is most associated with the far right. I think it's telling that it that's far right Trump style ideology those who defend the Up The Ra are gravitating towards.

This thread is a great example of that as we've had apologism for Nazi collaboration and silence from Provo supporters any time the reality of they protected paedophiles and rapists is brought up.

Like with Trump's support, there's no debate on any substantial points, only shouting and grunting.

The Wolfe Tones at their heart are about far right white ethnonationalism and a cult like white ethnonationalist mentality. We see the damage that kind of hatred does in Russia and in America. Irish nationalism is no inherently less toxic than Russian nationalism or far right white American racism and we're seeing a great demonstration of that on this thread.

Neutral me bollix. German soldiers that landed in Ireland were interned here. British and Allied soldiers were sent back to the U.K. to continue in the war. Weather reports were also sent to Britain. It was because of reports from Ireland that D-Day was delayed and not a complete washout before they got to shore. That’s not neutrality.

The Provos used to say they'd bombed a lot of places by mistake.

Which apparently made it just fine. Apart from for their victims, like.

The British Army frequently claimed to have shot civilians by mistake. Again , presumably that makes it fine, "honest mistake, chaps, no harm done".

Yesterday people were telling us that it was fine to celebrate the murderers of civilians. Today those same people are crying crocodile tears over the disgraceful Tory bill to retrospectively legalise British Army murder.

Here's a tip: if people are celebrating the murderers of civilians one day, they'd can't then with any credibility turn around and credibly object when a rotten government actually legislates to retrospectively legalise the murder of civilians. How can you credibly object to the murderers of civilians getting away scot free when you yourself are celebrating the murderers of civilians, making a big joke of it?

SF were totally useless and stood on the sidelines cribbing. That breed of Irish nationalism has been far more interested in doing whatever the opposite of virtue signalling is - deplorable signalling to very online idiots or whatever.

SF don't represent their people in the face of disgusting legislation like this. They won't oppose it. They just cosplay, pretending. They're all image, all talk, all performance, and no substance.

That's really all Sinn Fein is - cosplaying to the gullible.

It's not a stupid comparison. It's a comparison of the reaction of two different marginalised groups in societies.

Women were heavily discriminated against in the Ireland of the late 1960s.

Marital rape was legal.

Contraception was illegal - it was primarily women who were forced to deal with the consequences of that.

Young women who got pregnant were routinely packed off to mother and baby homes and had their children taken off them when they were born.

Women were not allowed work in the civil service if they were married.

Divorce was illegal - it was women who took the brunt of abusive relationships.

Abortion was illegal.

There were pubs which banned women.

We still have a reference in the constitution to a woman's place in the home, we're having a referendum on it in November.

The whole of society was geared towards women not advancing in careers, not being allowed to work in traditionally "male" jobs and in general mainly being vessels to produce children. "Knowing their place" in other words. A bit like Catholics in NI.

Womens' lot back then was ****.

Would the appropriate response have been a 27 year murder campaign?