The Wolfe Tones

No tears here. Just basic, well known facts that seem to have a) gone over your head or b) been ignored by you to push an agenda.

Sweet Jesus. Please 1. google "women's rights in ireland" 2. click on the first result 3. read the article

Here's a couple of spoilers for ye:

 "De Valera’s conservative government passed legislation that eliminated women's rights to serve on juries, work after marriage, and work in industry. In 1932, the marriage bar was introduced in Ireland; it prevented any married woman from working in the public sector"

"Contraception in Ireland was made illegal in 1935 under the 1935 Criminal Law (Amendment) Act.[8] Divorce was banned in Ireland in 1937"

"Also in 1973, the marriage bar was removed in Ireland.[16] It had been introduced in 1932, and had prevented any married woman from working in the public sector.[7]"

"Prior to the Family Home Protection Act, 1976, a husband could sell or mortgage the family home, without the consent or even knowledge of his wife"

"Prior to 1981, criminal conversation existed in Ireland, and meant a man could sue any person who had sexual relations with his wife, regardless of whether the wife consented, except that if the couple was already separated the husband could only sue if the separation was caused by the person he was suing"

Cool story, negotiations were ongoing with several heads of the Nazi party long before the fall of the Third Reich.

Alan Dulles, head of the CIA at the time, was negotiating for this long before the war ended. It may have become “official” after the war ended, but it was going on well before that.

Thanks for confirming my point Tony. Sean Russell and the IRA in general were indeed happy to make a pact with the devil whether by collaborating with Nazis or indulging in multiple atrocities against non-combatants.

Personally, I have never believed that their desired end (Brits Out/United Ireland) were worth the use of such means. The fact that their campaigns all ended in failure adds to their culpability. Here we are, still waiting for the Taigs to outbred the Prods one hundred years on from partition, fifty years on from the start of the PIRA campaign and twenty-five years after the GFA. Although I suspect that even if Russell and company had realised it would all come down to demographics in the end they would have still resorted to guns and bombs.

I was a Catholic of NI at the time myself. They were Catholics of the time also, but most people wanted them to stop what they were doing. They only represented themselves.

WWII itself could not be won without making a pact with another devil (Stalin) and Britain began by declaring war on Germany to liberate Poland and ended by ratifying Stalin's dominion over Poland to run it as a colony with a puppet government.

The Allies also indulged in multiple atrocities against non-combatants - as deliberate policy.

For Churchill and the Allies, all difficult choices and mixed-fortune outcomes are forgiven by history.

From a moral standpoint though Sean Russell and other IRA men's collaboration with the Soviet Union is also pretty bad - except you aren't meant to say so because it might indirectly make the Allies look bad too.

How about the Wolfe Tones start writing songs and singing them that highlight the absolute evil that was carried out to each other during the civil war.

How Dev re-wrote history to suit his story, especially what he got up to with his campaign with the Irish Americans, - whose written records vary greatly with his story, especially with the US senate.

How about some truths about the vile executions at Ballyseedy - and not the 'sanctioned' ones - but the outright murder of men, who were prisoners and had no 'trial' by blowing them up.

Kerry never forgot what was done and the North never forgot how they were being treated - and I am not talking about the British, but by their 'own'.

Terrible thing were done, by both sides, but some honesty please - the Irish have never truly been united in the history of time - always infighting of one sort or another, even during the Easter Rising itself. Was it to be called off, yes or no, power struggles.

He was trying to free us from a bunch of murderous thugs who killed millions. Not sure why you want to ignore that?

You're completely ignoring that the PIRA did not start the war. The IRA were finished. The war was started by loyalists bombing and murdering innocents, the local government denying equal rights and the local police force beating peaceful protesters and killing innocents including children.

No, the British state. Even in the same time period as the Nazis, they killed millions in India. Do you have an issue with calling the British armed forces murderous thugs? Why is that?

They were what the Nazis wish they could be.

Time to educate you if you won't educate yourself. Here's a good place to start, have a good read of this page:

https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/issues/collusion/chron.htm

After reading that you'll need to re-evaluate your position on collusion?

You have no problem calling the Nazis murderous thugs but you can't bring yourself to calling the British military forces murderous thugs despite having a much larger list of murder and destruction in their wake. Why is that?

If you don't want to educate yourself then that's alright but it means you can't be taken seriously. Go on, have a read of the link, it's good to learn new things.