Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

When the derogation goes and we are back at 170kg/N will the ridiculous banding go?? Does any other country operating at 170kg/N have a banding system?

Don't know why lads are shocked or up in arms now regarding the derogation cut. Shure we all knew it was coming. What I find annoying was the cynical move by the department and minister to push back the payment dates. It was done deliberatley knowing the nitrates cut was coming and then throw a sop to the farm orginisations of restoring the traditional dates after some "negotations".

ZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.... sewage/effluent from 77,000 households in this country is flowing into our seas rivers and lakes... we have water treatment plants across the country that are donkeys years old and are either too small to handle the waste flowing thru them or they are dilapidated from years of neglect... and our geniuses in the epa dont have a problem with this but they do have a problem with cows.... so there and the govts answer to our water quality is reduce the cows while at the same time allow thousands of immigrants into the country at a time of a housing crisis on top of having out of date treatment plants to treat waste from the 5millions people in this country....

the farmers have been fucked under a bus dawg..... AGAIN

Anyone with a brain would like to see water quality improve but are dairy farmers being blamed for something they have little to do with. Even towns that have major upgrades in water treatment are still releasing water that's not been treated properly. Why doesn't the EPA investigate and clearly state the cause of the pollution.

It’s not much bother tho as you keep blowing on about how much land you have and how your offered a few hundred acres of land every second week. Come on back to Ireland to farm and put your money where your big **** mouth is. You wouldn’t last a week. Lads here milking 80 to 100 cows no help **** weather and small wet fragmented farms, trying to rear a family in many cases. You need to wind in your neck.

Never said otherwise.

There’s a propensity on this forum to point the finger at tillage farmers as being as culpable as dairy..it maybe so, but imho it’s the MP on dairy farms that’s the big culprit. Remember cows are ‘land spreading’ slurry on the MP for 8-9mts of the year…then it gets another dollop in January with the umbilical, then urea, then ‘watery slurry’ and urea/can every few weeks. But but but the SEWAGE!

While the MP goes under the guise of other/all grassland the water will continue to degrade in quality. End of.

It's the 80's at least the water is being tested. Levels were higher then too.

Ye are further down the road than we are though in water framework development policies though. Wasn't all the talk about livestock out there too and the belief the change to tillage would improve waterways. And then it didn't.

I can't share pdf files but Google may bring it up.

He'd be an academic environmentalist who'd be aware of these talks and findings.

We are at a crossroads in this country. You can have the likes of an taisce clogging the airways with the non stop anti livestock that was preached twenty years ago in France. Or a full serious look at all aspects of N leachates to waterways.

But at the moment it's an Taisce with go plant based to save the waterways. Which is bolony.

ASSAP programme in timoleague would disagree

Epa only one motive.blame farmers and farming.they are not interested in sewage in rivers from towns.

if you had a 100ha and your down 3000kg of N that equates to 37 cows, so for the lads with a big stretch of land and big numbers, it would be a substantial outlay, even say the lad with 40ha in the higher band will have to cut back 11 cows and say 11 cows @8000 ltrs x 30 cent, is still €26400

Industrial Spruce forestry and ongoing peat removal/drainage by the likes of BNM are big players in water quality issues too, especially in catchments that have recently lost top level status in mostly upland areas and the Shannon Basin(which have declined by nearly 90% since the 80's!!) - and the so called Greens in government have done FA on either of these issues!!😤

What is the cost difference between the 14,6 and 16,6 slats, I am assuming that the 16,6 is much heavier.

Great post M.

I definitely agree with most of your post except for the political aspect. Europe will not allow the downward spiral of water quality, and going down the Dutch route of trying to disrupt national politics, won’t help anyone. Europe doesn’t give a damn anymore about farmers. They’ve a green agenda now and the green lobby is powerful.

Don't worry the ploughing match is coming up. All the plump baldy comb over old lads licking the politicians holes.

They will wheel out that old woman and say that the ploughing match is no place for protest. People will go,say nothing, buy their plastic stick and go home mumbling to themselves that the government are useless

Your a pack of fuuucking cowards the hole lot of ye. They will bring back rates on farm land yet when they see what push overs you all are