Cities around the world that are reducing car access

magicbastarder · 29-08-2023 12:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121038543#Comment_121038543

is there paid parking there? i.e. i'm curious whether some cars are parked by people driving to work, and parking there for free.

Thelonious Monk · 29-08-2023 12:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121042014#Comment_121042014

I'm not sure but I'd assume it's just people parking their own cars outside

magicbastarder · 29-08-2023 12:37pm

i've heard of certain places near the city which are noticeably more parked with cars at weekends when paid parking does not apply; people driving into the city and not wanting to pay for a multistorey or on street-parking.

however, there's a girl in a school uniform in that photo, so not taken at the weekend!

magicbastarder · 29-08-2023 1:10pm

i was curious as to whether those houses always had the gardens out the front (i used to live in a house where the residents were given some of the street to create a little front garden), but it seems those ones did - at least they did when the 25" map was created.

Seth Brundle · 05-09-2023 10:37pm

Interesting thread on how improvements in pedestrian speed in Helsinki lead to an increase in public transport usage...

https://twitter.com/adamtranter/status/1699127398715781396?t=e0nX92pmA2nFRvc_b8dccA&s=19

cgcsb · 06-09-2023 4:23pm

Looks like we're finally going to get something done about cars in the city centre. Although if it actually happens or not is debatable, it is DCC afterall.

As i had suggested before bus gates at Aston and Bachelors are proposed, painfully obvious as they are.

Other measures to tackle Pearse, Tara and Customs house, Parliament St to go Pedestrian. A good start if implemented.

https://irishcycle.com/2023/09/06/radical-shake-up-of-city-centre-streets-to-remove-cars-from-quays-at-oconnell-bridge/

CatInABox · 07-09-2023 8:59am

A fairly standard article in the independent the other day about the road deaths in Ireland, and the car culture that's endemic in Ireland, and man, the replies underneath are something else. Don't actually know Geraldine Herbert's work at all, but she has the patience of several saints.

https://twitter.com/GerHerbert1/status/1699391650101903618

Sam Russell · 07-09-2023 12:09pm

Irony of ironies.

The Garda car in the photo is parked on the footpath and in a bus lane.

He is checking speed when the cars are obviously unable to do any speed. They are too close together to be speeding.

Citizen Six · 07-09-2023 12:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121080048#Comment_121080048

Too close together to be speeding? Are you joking?

Sam Russell · 07-09-2023 12:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121080166#Comment_121080166

Depends on the speed limit. Those vehicles look like they are going about 50 km/h.

Edit: Only stupid or blind drivers would speed coming up to that speed trap.

Seth Brundle · 07-09-2023 1:18pm

Feckin cyclists!

https://twitter.com/for_birmingham/status/1699695109191712775?s=20

MJohnston · 07-09-2023 4:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077210#Comment_121077210

These seem largely like old plans from the Liffey Cycle Route days. However, maybe if this time they present it as "transport improvement" rather than something for cycling, it'll cause slightly less foaming at the mouth by the motorist lobby.

cgcsb · 07-09-2023 4:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121081415#Comment_121081415

I think mouth froth has become a less potent deterrent in the past 2 or 3 years. But no doubt our car sponsored overlords in the IT and RTE will tell us this is a 'car ban' or a 'road closure' instead of a scheme to improve walking cycling and bus travel.

loco_scolo · 08-09-2023 12:38am

Are there more details available on the Dublin city centre traffic plans? The Journal has a piece on it and mentions stopping northbound traffic on Westland Row from turning left onto Pearse.

It doesn't say where that traffic would go exactly, but it mentions making Pearse Street two-way. I'm guessing traffic would go East to Macken Street and cross the Samuel Beckett...

CatInABox · 08-09-2023 7:40am

Nothing yet, that proposal hasn't been published yet.

Sam Russell · 08-09-2023 10:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121083342#Comment_121083342

The Becket Bridge is mental at most times during the day.

They need to allow east bound traffic to turn left onto the bridge on the north quays. They also need to remove the toll on the Frank Clarke Bridge (East Link) to take pressure off the Samuel Becket Bridge, and remove the roundabout on the north exit from the toll bridge by using a one way scheme via Sheriff St and East Wall Road.

By such a scheme, a lot of Pearse St traffic would divert through the more eastern routes.

Most of the traffic flow in that area appears to be designed around getting as much traffic across the toll bridge as they could, and to hell with those stuck in the resulting snarl up.

Surely, DCC cannot be that stupid.

magicbastarder · 08-09-2023 11:21am

A quick Google showed the revenue from the bridge was €4.2m in 2014. Not a small amount of money, but given the annual budget of DCC is over one billion, it's not *that* much.

p_haugh · 08-09-2023 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084202#Comment_121084202

There is plans to remove the roundabout at the point. There was a public consultation on it at the end of 2022, but no further update on it yet.

https://irishcycle.com/2022/11/30/new-plan-put-forward-to-transform-point-village-roundabout-into-signlised-junction/

Sam Russell · 08-09-2023 11:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084428#Comment_121084428

I am aware there was a proposal for sorting that out, but it did not include removing the toll, and it never happened anyway. It needs the toll removed to be effective for traffic flow in that area. Removing the various traffic directions that send traffic across the toll bridge instead of the SBB would not be necessary if there was no toll.

There was a proposal to remove the Merrion Gates, but it was tied up with a cycling proposal that killed it. It never happened. Story of our approach to infrastructure.

Flinty997 · 08-09-2023 11:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084428#Comment_121084428

Usually removing a roundabout makes traffic worse. That one only backups when it's utterly overloaded, otherwise moves well. Signal will make it backup all the time, even off peak. Lot of heavy good traffic there with the port etc.

Poor (dangerous) for cycling and pedestrians as is though. That needs changing. Really need a different bridge.

Sam Russell · 08-09-2023 11:43am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084477#Comment_121084477

Removing a roundabout and replacing it with traffic lights does not really work unless the traffic pattern is very one sided.

I think putting a one way system in, where traffic coming off the bridge northbound turns left, and head along the quays until it turns right up to Sherrif St, and onto East Wall Rd. The particular right turn needs to be investigated as to which one might be best. East bound traffic along the quays would divert to Sherrif St and then wherever. Of course the Luas would be affected.

Now there are probably much better solutions but something needs to be done and removing the toll should be centre of it.

loco_scolo · 08-09-2023 11:46am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084477#Comment_121084477

The glacial pace of building a new bridge in that area is ridiculous. There are loose plans for 4 (or 5?) new bridges to the east of SBB, but none of them progressing meaningfully.

Flinty997 · 08-09-2023 11:54am

A ring of bridges like that would be an attractive amenity too.

Larbre34 · 08-09-2023 1:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084476#Comment_121084476

Remove all cycling proposals now.

And no, I'm not being ironic.

Citizen Six · 08-09-2023 1:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084864#Comment_121084864

You get more ridiculous as time goes on. Get back on your meds.🤣

loyatemu · 08-09-2023 3:21pm

Ignore function is great (until someone quotes the clown comments)

loyatemu · 08-09-2023 3:25pm

I work near the Eastlink and it's busy all the time, with a huge number with trucks that I believe are mostly just going from one part of the port to another. I'm not sure how removing the toll would help anything. It's a nightmare for walking and cycling (as is the roundabout) - when it was built there would have been virtually no cyclists or pedestrians there because there was nothing in that part of the city but the port. The footpath (which cyclists are encouraged to dismount and use) is barely wide enough for 2 people to pass. The council really needs to get a move on with the active travel bridges.

PopePalpatine · 08-09-2023 3:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084864#Comment_121084864

Did someone actually get punished for parking on a cycle lane? 😱

Pete_Cavan · 08-09-2023 3:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121084535#Comment_121084535

It should be noted that of those proposed bridges, none are intended for general traffic so anyone thinking currently proposed bridges will help traffic flows is in for a let down.

The southern port access bridge would help traffic a bit by removing Port-bound HGVs from the Eastlink. The Dodder mouth bridge will carry buses so maybe some people will switch to buses. The other bridges are for pedestrians/cyclists.

p_haugh · 08-09-2023 3:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121085764#Comment_121085764

The dodder mouth bridge will also have a two-way cycle track on it

Cities around the world that are reducing car access

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