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The future of James Bond

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  • Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Full_Circle_81


    On the topic of age, I would argue that a 50 something Elba is a lot more vital and physically capable than a 50 something Moore. No disrespect to Moore, but actors in general take much better care of themselves these days. A short 3 movie run wouldn't hurt at all.

    And while the more recent Craig movies went out of their way to have more physically demanding fight scenes (brought about by the influence of Bourne), I usually picture Bond as more of a swift smooth operator, rather than a hulking brawler, as Craig positioned himself as.

    In saying all that, I've no problem with them leaning younger instead. The tricky part is finding a young actor who has genuine presence and swagger....



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp




  • Registered Users Posts: 38,484 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'd love to see Elba as Bond even if was for only two movies.

    And for those saying you can't change to a black man, I say you'll forget his race in about ten minutes if the performance is strong and you are guaranteed that with Elba.

    Elba is very fresh looking for his age too.

    As for Carmichael, I think the best Bond, Sean Connery, looked very like him.

    I could watch the Connery movies 100 times, just in a different league to everything that came after them.

    Moore wasn't bad, Dalton was better. Brosnan was okay as was Craig. I thought Lazenby was quite good in his only movie.



  • Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭RickBlaine


    Connery was great but Diamonds Are Forever is rubbish though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Roger Moore was a likeable guy ( probably not much of an actor though) but his Bond movies were pretty awful, I think Dalton was the best actor to play Bond and I liked both of his offerings, my least favourite Bond is Brosnan, I don’t like any of them

    edris Elba would have been a good Bond but he’s too old now



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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Cavill certainly threw his hat in the ring with his performance in The Man from UNCLE... Suspect he's probably too big a name for the Broccollis at this stage though.

    Richard Madden is one actor who seems to be picking his roles with a shot at Bond in mind and I suspect he wouldn't do badly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Watching Secret Invasion which is not a great show but Kingsley Ben-Adir could be a good shout although he is late 30s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,430 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Apparently a new Bond book out and getting a bit of a slagging ha ha


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Honestly never been hugely into reading them but this more just sounds like people getting annoyed for the sake of it. The book has been out since May, got reasonable reviews but also is most likely targeting an entirely different demographic given the fact the author wrote the Young Bond books. Now the usual culprits are getting annoyed by it 4 months after the release. 😂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 86,701 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab




  • Registered Users Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    That could be a very interesting casting call if going for an older Bond... Isaacs isn't a huge star (despite being very famous from his role in the Harry Potter series)/



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,701 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Full_Circle_81


    He tends to raise the quality of whatever he's in. He kinda reminds me of Dalton a little, looks-wise (back in the day for both).



  • Registered Users Posts: 877 ✭✭✭DarkJager21




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And the Fleming estate chooses what they sign off on so if it doesn't sell, they likely won't sign on future writings from the author but they will if it does. So they were fine with it, a couple of publications getting outraged by a paragraph 4 months later is more amusing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 877 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Somebody was seriously asleep at the wheel when that got greenlit so, it's like every boogeyman of the woke rolled in to one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,701 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    If going for a younger actor, Jacob Elordi would be good, quiet versatile, charismatic




  • Registered Users Posts: 31,716 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Have you read the book, or are you entirely basing that on one little out of context snippet?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 877 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    That is a snippet from the book, and also features an action by the main character which is completely and utterly out of character for him based on previous stories and his history. I don't need to read any more of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 31,716 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yup, it is indeed a little out of context snippet from the book. No issues with someone deciding they'd not bother reading it based on that. It's obviously nowhere near enough information to make a declaration like "Somebody was seriously asleep at the wheel when that got greenlit so" though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,701 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Dalton is Nolan's favourite Bond, I would love to see a Nolan Bond film



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    Ugh, no thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,078 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Are they still talking about that guy from Bridgerton or something? Seems to have the suave and sophistication down. I know there would be a bit of a fuss kicked up with him being black but I don't think there would be as much as before. Rege-Jean something? Thought he was quite funny in the (surprisingly good) dungeons and dragons movie.

    I remember years ago reading some comment when Craig became bond. Something along the lines of "Clive Owen must have cr*pped into someone's tea that he's not Bond, he's been such the obvious choice for years". Elba would have been great years ago. Too old now. Could have given it a pre-Luthor type toughness.

    But, god, acting-wise, it really is a double-edged sword. To be tied to SUCH an iconic character. MAYBE Craig has broken that "curse" with his Benois Blanc movies.

    And it's hard to know how "successful" Bond movies really are. I mean, these days, anything under a billion dollars is almost considered a failure for mainstream action movies. I mean, the last one made "only" 760 million. It seems that there is very little ground these days for the "mid budget" movie. Something that's not expected to make 1.5-2 billion but turn over a nice few hundred million (700-900 million) for a 100-150 million dollar budget. Look at the Star Trek movies: Always in the 400-600 million takings. They only seem to double their money (Actually, IF that...).

    There will be much fanfare (And histrionics, no doubt. There always is) when the new Bond is announced but... Who would want it?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,634 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Small point on the issue of budgets: Bond productions' budgets are offset by the insane amounts paid by brands to appear in the films. There's no franchise that goes so hard for brands; maybe Michael Bay's flicks? IIRC one of the Craig Bonds made their budget back on the product placement alone. So unlike normal blockbusters these days, it's arguable the Bond films could be pure profit depending on how much Louis Vuitton, Sony or whoever decide to pay.

    And yeah last I heard Rége-Jean Page was a popular, viral choice knocking about the place. Like you I thought he played deadpan comedy rather well in the Dungeons and Dragons movie; though it also depends what kind of Bond they're gonna reboot with. The franchise always chases trends but not sure what they'd go for - bar chasing that quippy, self-aware streak of the superhero genre.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,078 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    That's right. The product placement in Bond is off the scale and can actually be off-putting at times as it can be quite ungraceful. I believe the same was for Minority Report - that its budget was covered by product placing. I thought it worked there as it came across as a social commentary about the pervasiveness of advertising (And the personalization of tailored advertising)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Yea, how on earth didn't Clive Owen not be offered it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    It is surprising he wasn't offered it before Craig got cast. Owen would have been 42 in Casino Royale in 2006. A good age to be Bond. Sadly for him Craig would play Bond for another 15 years so I guess his only shot was around back then. At least Bronson got another chance. Alas, wasn't to be.

    Could play a Bond villian now tho. Only 59 in October. It's a shame Skyfall had the idea of an old agent coming back to haunt. Owen could have played 004 or whoever. Basically a repersentation of what 'James Bond' used to be.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    Craig really has had the role a long time. We've seen a lot of actors who could have been great at the role see their opportunities come and go.

    Pre-Casino Royale, Clive Owen and Dougray Scott both would have been "known" starts without demanding extortionate fees. Maybe even Hugh Jackman at that time.

    Post-Skyfall there was a wealth of potential replacements. Michael Fassbender, Tom Hardy, Idris Elba, Tom Hiddlestone, Henry Cavill to name some of the bigger stars. I kinda feel it's too late for all them, not necessarily age, but just the way their respective career paths have gone.

    There's still plenty of opportunities. Aaron Taylor Johnson is a personal fav of those in the mix.

    But yeah, will always consider Clive Owen as the one that got away. He did make some great adverts for Betfair though



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