Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

If you brought up this subject 15 years ago in Sweden, it would be dismissed as fear mongering.

One of the most open countries in the world now has a right wing government! After filling their boots with refugees in the last decade they now have done a complete u turn.

Now let's stop looking at how other EU countries got on n plough on regardless. Any naysayers are fear mongers, waysist etc etc!

1.6% of the population and only growing slowly. In the 6 years from 2016 to 2022 the Islamic population increased by just 21,000. Less than 10% of the increase in population. Great to create alarm though.

And in the face of evidence of integration in Ireland you counter with evidence from another country. The UK having massive problems in old industrial cities across a broad range of demographics due to 40 year policies that have eroded their economic base. A large number of Muslims immigrated to Luton from Pakistan from the 60's and 70's to work in the massive Vauxhall plant which employed over 12,000 people in the town. This is now about 900. The British government did not do anything to address the mass deprivation that resulted. The children and now grandchildren of those immigrants were left with no hope of anything other than zero hour contracts and zero job security. Disillusionment pushed many towards their mosque and this coincided with some mosques being radicalised by Saudi funded Wahhabists. The Luton plant also had a large number of Irish, however due to an improved economic situation here many were able to return to Ireland. My own father was one of them. Still deprivation among Irish in the area continued and continues to be an issue.

The cause of the radicalisation in the UK is not just islam, but also the disillusion people faced due to socio-economic deprivation. Look at who are the most deprived groupings in the UK for a better understanding.

It does not excuse radicalism but does explain why parts of the UK were so badly impacted.

The same issues also impacted other cities with mainly white populations. Parts of Wales and the North East particularly badly, and these also have high crime, no go areas and issues with radicalisation - more towards the Nationalist variety.

Yep, I dont see SF taking any different approach on immigration.

The issue SF have (if they get into govt) is they will need to reduce the social housing list in ireland, as thats one of their core commitments and has been for years.

So given that they wont be able to increase new build construction significantly in the short term, for various reasons, they will effectlvley have the same supply coming on stream as FFG would have had, over the next 2 years or so, at least.

The current govt are already handing over large amounts of social housing from private new builds (part 5 and then govt is buying a large remainder of the housing stock for social) so what else can SF do to reduce the social housing list quicker?

And even if they do manage it, it will be to the detriment of the working folks that dont qualify for social housing. Ironically, the wame folks that seem intent on voting for them.

Turkeys voting for xmas.

Mayo junior B hurling?! lol that's reaching

There was some non integration with a refugee in Sligo last year with a couple of beheadings. Any good news integration story is to be welcomed n promoted endlessly.

Culture is always in a flux of change and adaptation though; Irish culture used to firmly oppose divorce, contraception, abortion, homosexuality for example

Ah, so the muslims who integrate into local GAA are not good enough so they dont count is it?

If anything, participation at a low level is a bigger indication of integration rather than elite.

Yes. My post was a breakdown of those numbers. That link is paywalled btw.

My point?

That many are coming to work from Europe and other jurisdictions where Irish people go to work also.

Its reciprocated.

Sinn Fein are in a very strange position. Many of their supporters view them as an anti-establishment party but hold decidedly un-left wing opinions themselves. It's almost as if they are slightly baffled that the party would be pro-immigration and pro-refugee, when it's the only logical stance for them given their history and position on social justice issues.

And a lot of cultures still believe in all of that, including many now immigrating to Europe in large numbers,it's possible as seen in the US in the last few years freedoms can get rolled back depending on who and what gets into positions of power

But anyone can explain why not to vote for FFG. They no longer even pretend to care whenever confronted with direct disagreement from voters e.g. migration and hate speech.

Simply put, voting for FFG is a form of self-abuse. Remember you don't need to have a new partner to justify leaving an abusive relationship :-)

It is not that long since the Muslim population of England, and France, and Holland, and Sweden, was just 1.62%, now now it is many times that, and increasing rapidly.

Almost a tenth of babies and toddlers in England and Wales are Muslim, so there is a large shift in the demographic trend in England and Wales, compared to a generation or two ago. In Sweden the percentage is even higher.

The post you're quoting shows why Ireland's Muslim population is not increasing rapidly and is unlikely to. At a time of a record flow of asylum seekers into Europe, between 2014 and 2016, compare the number that came here to the amount that went to Sweden. Plus, unlike the UK and France we do not have former colonies that are predominantly Muslim countries.