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N6 Athlone Bypass - Speed limit reduction to 80k

  • 05-09-2023 12:45pm
    #1
    Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mods I searched and can't find a thread for this section but I know there's one somewhere, feel free to merge this into it.

    There's been complaints for years from locals about the noise from the dual carriageway around Athlone, especially at night for the houses closest to it.

    After a lot of begging, sound surveys were carried out and the levels exceeded both the TII & WHO limits so the recommendation are now that they look at reducing the limit from 100k to 80k and erecting additional sound barriers

    Funding will now be sought for some actions/feasibility studies etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I wonder will they use a lower-noise wearing-course. This has been done on re-surfaced sections of N40 in Cork - there's a marked difference in road noise between the old and new surfacing. If that's a recent picture of N6, the surface there looks like it would be pretty noisy.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They might but it won't be anytime soon.

    It is incredibly noisy as it is right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Shame. It would be the cheapest and quickest respite for the residents, and wouldn't require planning permissions.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A quick check shows, in terms of the traffic, the increase in journey time would be 1 min 10 seconds (4 mins 50 seconds to 6 mins) if the entire length of the bypass was set to 80k from 100k (8km length)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,184 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It was resurfaced "recently" as in the last decade wasn't it? Will be quieter than a 90s surface already



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Was kinda inevitable when they make town inaccessible without growing wrinkles.


    Alot more journeys use the bypass than would have previously considered a gawk at town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Correct. Reducing speed limits makes everyone's journeys longer. Though there appears to be a suggestion above that the addition is not large, it must be remembered that this is a per-journey increase which means that the total in person-minutes lost would be insane. And also this must be taken into the context of moves to lower speed limits nationwide, which will make all journeys longer still.

    80kph is far too low for a national road and type 1 dual carriageway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,299 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Should be increased to 120, not lowered.

    Lowering it will make feck all difference to the noise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,184 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    First corner coming from Dublin is wildly out of spec for 120



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    That corner caught me out a few times - it's way to sharp for 120 especially with Athlone traffic joining in. 90kmh would be better, IMHO. The bypass gets very busy with 'very slow' traffic merging from numerous junctions.

    Why exactly do we limit our zones to 60, 80, 100 or 120kmh? Europe uses 70/90/110 frequently as and when appropriate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    80/100/120 km/h maps more closely to the old MPH limits of 40,60 and 70. 40mph to 60km/h was a speed reduction, but acceptable given how 40mph stretches were used (open road, but with some hazards).

    Adopting 50/70/90/110/130 in 2005 would have either increased the speed limits beyond safe levels (e.g., ex-40mph stretches becoming 70, large sections of the secondary network going to 110) or created unpopular dramatic reductions (60mph > 90km/h). There was also the concern about "70" on open roads being misinterpreted as MPH. (60 and 80 were almost never used on UK or older Irish MPH signs)

    But, in the context of this week's announcement on speed limits, maybe adopting the European system could provide an acceptable compromise:

    30: inner city shared streets, residential areas

    50: urban areas

    70: all regional roads, unmarked roads... replaces 80 as the new default national limit, basically.

    90: national routes of Type 3 or 2 single carriageway, regardless of primary/secondary numbering

    110: new-built type 1 SC and type 2 DCs

    130: Type 1 DC and Motorway

    The higher limits could be countered with stricter enforcement, resulting in no actual change of traffic speed. But that's a topic that's rightly been closed, so I'll say no more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Thanks, like your suggestion. I actually meant, 70/90/110 in addition to 80/100/120. A 20kmh step up/down is quite big and leaves some roads too slow or too fast.

    The only issue I see with your suggestion is that motorways wont be allowed to increase speed, due to higher emissions... at least not until all vehicles are electric. Like it or not, there is an argument out there to lower speed limits, simply to limit emissions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,184 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    From memory, 70/90/110 (and 20, although there is a design for a 20km/h roadsign) would actually need legislation to make them legal. Only 30/40/50/60/80/100/120 exist as valid limits.

    40 was not in the original regs and was allowed since 2012 and I have never seen one.

    I would very much be in favour of 130 and maybe 140 for specific sections of motorway but there is zero chance of that happening with the current Government and barely any more chance with anyone else. Varadkar as Minister increased bus and truck motorway speed limits to bring us to European norms, and 130 is fairly common in Europe but I'm not sure that argument would wash!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Too many different limits creates driver confusion, and 10 km/h is too small am increment (I have always thought the 50 km/h and 60 km/h limits are too close to each other in speed)

    If we adopted the more common European set, we'd have to replace our current set, or it'd be a free for all of speeding offences getting thrown out of court.

    As for 130 on motorways, I agree it's a bit fast, but if enforced by average speed cameras, it would probably lower the actual speeds on the motorways. Carrot (you can do 130) plus stick (but exceed that and it's instant points).



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Quite a bit of additional information from the recent council meeting on the topic of the noise levels from the N6 bypass




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I would tend to agree that lowering the limit won't help with noise here. Noise levels are mainly a function of traffic volume; a speed change for 100 to 80 km/h would drop levels a little but really only change the frequency profile of the traffic noise, and may actually make it more objectionable.

    New low-noise surfacing in the worst areas and sound barriers are probably the only thing that will work.

    Shit planning, though, to have built a bypass so close to housing.. or worse, given planning for housing so close to the bypass. Everyone knew this was part of the Dublin-Galway road.. it wasn't going to get less busy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Arklow main street has a 40 limit, it’s the only place I’ve seen it myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,451 ✭✭✭embraer170


    They could do what is often done in Germany. A lower night time speed limit from 10pm to 6am.





  • Bypass built in 1990 and planned for years prior to this, wonder how many of these homes were built after this, for those that were it’s a bit rich to ask up to 40k plus daily users to add 1.5mins to their journeys.

    As this thread has very little replies I think that there is merit in comparing the consensus from the Dublin airport noise thread.

    @[Deleted User] just because this impacts you personally shouldn’t mean you belittle 1.5 mins as being meaningless, very selfish posting style. Almost feels like a compo exercise to get new windows or insulation or an alternative motive to close the road or something (I gather from your other posts that you are not a fan of roads)



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Where did I say it impacts me personally?

    Also, I've nothing against roads, what a silly conclusion

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Sound barriers and the road surface they use can make a huge difference...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    there are 40 limits in all the Wicklow town centres but they're being replaced by 30 this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,803 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They've spent a lot of the summer resurfacing various sections of n11 between jn5 and jn14. Its actually done a great job of reducing road/tyre noise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    A good amount of the N11/R118 within the M50 has been resurfaced as well, nice and quiet now!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Norteño


    It'd be nice if the "government" could also fine pedestrians in similar ways as they do with us drivers. Maybe then they'd start taking responsibility for their own actions for once..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    what's that got to do with road noise on the N6?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭highdef


    So if you were to be a person who commutes 5 days a week (and takes 4 weeks holiday per year), you'd lose about 9 hours of your free time per year by that speed decrease, taking into account bank holidays. That's more than the time spent working on average workday! Seems a lot now, doesn't it?

    Also, 40km/h limits are commonplace on slip roads on/off the M50. Here's the slip from M50 south to N3 west, as an example:




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