2023 RWC Buildup, Squads, Fixtures 'etc'

threeball · 11-09-2023 3:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121097497#Comment_121097497

Didn't the french make a similar balls of the Liverpool Champions league final a couple of years ago resulting in near riots.

ButtersSuki · 11-09-2023 4:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121097516#Comment_121097516

I’m not saying it can’t be done. Most people are sensible and can figure stuff out.

The problem occurs when you have a group of people who for whatever reason get disoriented, get lost etc. and then they become a blockage in the system and the knock on effect ensures chaos. It’s not unique to rugby in France as per the Champion’s League Final from a few years back. Having lived in France and understanding their mentality on things like this I understand it - not excusing it btw. But if you talk to locals in Paris they’ll tell you it was madness thrm getting the Olympics from an infrastructure perspective and even madder putting them mostly in Saint Denis and not a green field site.

Podge_irl · 11-09-2023 4:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121097710#Comment_121097710

Fair enough, but it seems to be unique to France . It's a poor showing by them.

aloooof · 11-09-2023 4:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121097049#Comment_121097049

Do you really think I or other poster’s wouldn’t call that out if it was a male commentator who said it?

No, and that's not at all what I suggested, I think you missed the point of my post. In any case, happy to leave it there.

ButtersSuki · 11-09-2023 4:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121097742#Comment_121097742

Not debating that part at all! It’s not a uniquely French thing, but let’s just say I wasn’t shocked to hear there were problems there!

ButtersSuki · 11-09-2023 4:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121097754#Comment_121097754

Likewise, on both counts! Honestly not trying to argue with you on this though.

ersatz · 11-09-2023 4:24pm

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I’ve been trying to avoid coming to the conclusion that WR have directed that replays be limited as a means of reducing controversy and commentary around reffing, but it seems like that’s what’s happened. It is one more indication that WR is run by people who aren’t very smart and have terrible intuition. In 2023 obviously limiting information to prevent people coming to their own conclusions is incredibly dumb.

bilston · 11-09-2023 4:33pm

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The problem with the schedule is that a lot of the big games were front loaded onto weekend 1 which dilutes it a bit moving forward. I'm not sure how they work it out, next weekend definitely doesn't ahwv the fireworks on the one just passed.

Although Australia v Fiji should be a cracker.

ersatz · 11-09-2023 4:33pm

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Does unconscious bias exist here? It’s been a useful elixir for an industry built on squeezing cash out of cities and companies who need to pretend they are not racist but in a situation where a guy is doing a professional job they’re highly trained for and where there’s a well worn process for making decisions fast, can you explain making obviously bad decisions because some invisible force takes over the brain or is the more obvious explanation more viable, that he incorporates pressure and potential consequences and makes a poor decision based on the path of least resistance? Unconscious bias asks us to pretend power and our understanding of it doesn’t influence decision making when it obviously does.

T-Maxx · 11-09-2023 4:34pm

A fallout from the Erasmus saga no doubt.

Hurrache · 11-09-2023 5:26pm

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**** sake, there's nothing wrong with her at all.

ionadnapokot · 11-09-2023 5:31pm

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BOD is employed by WR on a specialist committee "guiding World Rugby’s decision-making process."

I understand he's probably just a paid figurehead/suit type but....I suspect your conclusion is correct.

Hes also on the board of the International Rugby Players.

It's farcical that rugby is not protecting its own players properly. Regardless of yellow/red cards, the fact that Kriel and Dempsey were not removed from the field of play says everything.

Total system failure from everyone involved.

It disgust me that WR continue to say "World Rugby's number-one priority is player welfare".

The world is watching and its obvious that it isn't a priority at all.

pickarooney · 11-09-2023 5:41pm

It's a complete joke to me that upright tackling is completely fine but if in doing it you clash heads it's a red card. There's nothing in between. Even if you're not moving and someone runs into you head first, off you go.

If tackling upright was a penalisable offence and was whistled as such players would stop doing it. Remove any benefit to it if you want it to stop

Podge_irl · 11-09-2023 5:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121095541#Comment_121095541

Be that as it may, she appears to have some pretty gaping holes in basic knowledge.

This, however, does not separate her out from most of the analysis pool in Ireland who are predominantly ex players who do not bother keeping up with the modern game. We are poorly served in general.

swiwi_ · 11-09-2023 5:43pm

So….the same incident in the weekend resulted in

Red card

Yellow card

Not even a penalty

And I doubt any of these options prevents future such head clashes.

Podge_irl · 11-09-2023 5:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098106#Comment_121098106

to be fair, this is what they are trying to some amateur levels. I have a fair degree of sympathy - it is a hard thing to get right in terms of not having a litany of penalties and cards every game and not having a high degree of judgement calls constantly.

That being said, I don't think they have found a good balance at the moment.

Ardillaun · 11-09-2023 6:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121095844#Comment_121095844

They should do because they must be less familiar with each other and the coaching team’s plans compared to the likes of Leinster/Ireland?

Pete_Cavan · 11-09-2023 7:14pm

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The thing, anyone who is arsed can watch it back to see the incident again. You'll generally find clips of big incidents where an incorrect call was made on social media (and not just from Rassie!). It seems now that incidents are not just being missed, they are actively being ignored.

Fair enough limiting replays in the stadium if you want to reduce the influence of home crowds/tv producers on the ref but not having replays on tv will only damage viewing figures for no benefit.

standardg60 · 11-09-2023 7:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098113#Comment_121098113

They weren't the same though.

First one was head contact first

Second one was chest and then head

Third one was recoil after clashing with the ball between, though wouldn't have disagreed with a yellow. The main problem with that one was the TMO should have at least asked the ref to have a look at it instead of making their own decision.

pickarooney · 11-09-2023 7:37pm

Kriel has not been cited and is free to play against Ireland

standardg60 · 11-09-2023 7:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098109#Comment_121098109

Completely agree. There is only one reason she is there, along with Hurley, and that's to fulfil some ridiculous RTE gender equality policy.

Not that the men are any better, Heaslip is hopeless and shouldn't be anywhere near media, Flannery never shuts up with irrelevant nonsense and ruins any game i watch when he's co-commentating. Ferris is the only one who's any way half decent but it's a low bar.

The job of an analyst is to see stuff the commentator wouldn't necessarily know, not to cheerlead, or describe what's happened, or just waffle when i just want to hear the ref. Bod and Dallaglio, and to an extent Quinlan, show how it should be done.

aloooof · 11-09-2023 8:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098559#Comment_121098559

My initial thought was “I couldn’t disagree more” when I read this:

Flannery never shuts up with irrelevant nonsense and ruins any game i watch when he's co-commentating.

But it turns out, I absolutely could, when I read this:

Bod and Dallaglio, and to an extent Quinlan, show how it should be done.

ersatz · 11-09-2023 8:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098559#Comment_121098559

You are contradicting yourself massively here. She’s only there because she’s a woman but all the men are crap too. So why are they there? You have absolutely no reason to think there’s some sort of quota in force without it being confirmed by RTE. There is a generation of women pro players that have retired at this stage and for years broadcasters have moved on from the quota system that favoured only make analysts. There’s no need for a quota system if women aren’t excluded for some reason, she’s just as bad as the rest so why shouldn’t she be there? I think you’re feeling threatened.😝

Ardillaun · 11-09-2023 8:28pm

I’ve already seen at least one instance of a hooker throwing in the ball straight…but directly over his own forwards. Fortunately, a solution is at hand. For a very reasonable price, my workshop is able to provide every assistant ref with our new Lineout Control Device. Made of exquisite material, it features a middle red band (which in no way should be construed as a reference to Wales) and two lateral white ones. After placing it near the touchline, the assistant informs the hooker he must stand at the centre of the column delineated by the red area, and forwards in the white areas. World Cup, you are welcome.

standardg60 · 11-09-2023 8:46pm

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098632#Comment_121098632

Do either of you actually have an opinion on who is or what makes a good analyst?

aloooof · 11-09-2023 8:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098745#Comment_121098745

Jerry Flannery. Exceptionally good, and occasionally technical, analysis.

I think he’s excellent at exactly the following:

The job of an analyst is to see stuff the commentator wouldn't necessarily know

I like Murray Kinsella too but understand he wouldn’t be everyone’s cup of tea.

With regards Jacqui Hurley, I think she’s a very good anchor, and certainly not just fulfilling quotas. An aside, but how she handled the Christian Eriksen incident showed what a pro she is.

Iamabeliever · 11-09-2023 8:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098113#Comment_121098113

The colour of card was reflected in the impact of the head collision on the player.

Dempsey should of went to ground and got treatment.

I've seen this quite often where if SA feel there was foul play, they would get treatment to make sure replays of the incident were shown.

Iamabeliever · 11-09-2023 9:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098505#Comment_121098505

I'm not shocked by this. Incident didn't warrant a red. Certain yellow

fitz · 11-09-2023 9:00pm

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Citing window is 36 hours, all I've seen so far in reporting is quotes from Rassie saying he won't be cited cause it was indirect, which is just his usual thing of trying to effect influence on the actual decision.

fitz · 11-09-2023 9:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121098783#Comment_121098783

I think she a good anchor too, and I also like Joanne Cantwell in that role. I'd prefer either of them to Daire O'Brien.

2023 RWC Buildup, Squads, Fixtures 'etc'

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