Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Brian? · 02-09-2023 9:41pm

Here’s what worries me: Evergrande collapses, the Chinese economy goes into crisis and we have a world wide crash.

In this scenario* we get Trump, possibly

*its not an unlikely scenario

Nody · 02-09-2023 10:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121061573#Comment_121061573

I'd argue the Chinese economy has already crashed (and is going through the motions only) due to the China covid policies (factories are closing as they have no orders; equipment is shipped to other countries), unemployement is through the roof both for youth and people above 35s which are usually not of interest to companies incl. state companies, the provice economies built up on renting out ground (many provinces have had to plead for bail out from the state), huge salary cuts for both state & private company employees (we're talking 25%+ cuts), the natural disasters have exacerbate this further (between losing rice fields, flooding whole towns and of course the civil unrest tied to history over the natural disasters coming when the emperor is no longer fit to lead) and of course Xi's policies are about as modern as Mao's and about as helpful.

aloyisious · 04-09-2023 1:21pm

It seems that RDS is amongst several Republicans candidates proposing that the US use it's military [weapons] to attack Fentanyl Labs in Mexico. Its been 2019 since Trump made comment about the smuggling into the US and the loss of about [back then] 100,000 US citizens as dying from Fentanyl addiction.

So far he does not seem to have noted or become aware of the other candidates quotes and suggestions as he doesn't seem to have gone after both Biden and Andres Obrador [Mexico's president] for failing to stop the production and smuggling of the drug from Mexico as he hasn't made any online comments proposing such an act for election gain. Allegedly China is the main supplier of the base material for the production of Fentanyl to Mexico.

pixelburp · 04-09-2023 1:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067589#Comment_121067589

Without seeing the background, I'd presume this entire talking point is the allure of America bombing the brown people coming across the borders, than coherent policy regarding fentanyl. Let's not forget that is a man who had migrants kidnapped, put on a plane and flown under false pretences to Martha's Vineyard - just to "own" the libs. The man is a craven racist, I doubt the well runs deeper than a desire to bomb Mexico as part of his "anti woke" agenda.

aloyisious · 04-09-2023 9:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121067679#Comment_121067679

RDS does seem to have an outlook on the safety of his states citizens that does not [on the face of it] compute, refusing to accept federal funding from the Biden Admin to help Florida's citizens survive and get over the effects of Hurricane Idalia and the resultant Category 3 storm, while he's asking them [Florida resident voters] for long term support against Candidate Trump. One has to ask what exactly RDS is playing at.

aloyisious · 06-09-2023 5:50pm

It'd be nice to take the read that Trump is running out of cash to fund his defence team.

According to the Daily Digest he had to transfer funds from his Make America Great Again PAC's to top up the Save America super PAC he's using to pay his legal [incl lawyers] costs.

Allegedly the Save America PAC fund had $105 million in it at the start of the year reduced to $4 million until the top up from the other PAC. Allegedly he had to request a refund of $60 million donation it made to the MAGA PAC, and only received $12.3 million back from the fund.

The notion that Trump is going bust after so many years of getting funds from others is tempting to consider.

I've edited the wording of the 2nd sentence in Para 3.

Quin_Dub · 06-09-2023 6:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077563#Comment_121077563

He's been playing a shell game with the money over the years between the various PAC's , Super PACs and Election funds.

There are all sorts of rules about which money can go where and what it can be spent on which of course it appears that Trump has driven a coach and four through.

His problem currently is that the fund that he is actually allowed to use on his personal legal bills has run out of money having given money to one of the other funds (which it looks like he isn't allowed to do under FEC rules) and is now trying to get that money back.

He still has quite a bit of cash from the MAGA loons , but it's currently in all the wrong places for what he needs to spend it on right now.

aloyisious · 07-09-2023 10:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121077727#Comment_121077727

My understanding of Super PAC's is that they can raise and spend unlimited amounts of money from various sources to influence elections but cannot contribute directly to candidates or parties. How does Trump, as a candidate, get to legally influence how the funds from at least two Super PAC's are used and distributed?

For purposes electorally, Trump has been an influencer for a decade now, even while sitting as president in the oval Office, as one understands what an influencer is nowadays. Not necessarily a person of bona fides but rather a person with malice aforethought and in this case with access to several sources of donated money which do have federal and state laws governing their use.

Quin_Dub · 07-09-2023 10:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121079468#Comment_121079468

Trump has been openly ignoring the rules around fund-raising and the resulting spending for years.

He used PAC money to pay his bail in Georgia FFS.

"Leadership" PACs are supposed to allow a high profile person to raise money for other people (and only other people) - So a Trump Leadership PAC could raise money to be spent on helping other GOP candidates get elected and so on , but Trump has been using it to fund his own expenses and legal costs.

Same with the Super PACs - Can be spent on helping a candidate get elected , but cannot be spent "in coordination" with the candidate nor can it be used for direct campaign expenses etc. - Again , Trump has been simply directly using that money to pay his legal bills and to re-direct money to his businesses and family. For example one of the Super PACs paid Melania $150k for picking out the tableware to be used at a fund-raiser in Mar-a-Lago.

Up to now he's been getting away with it as the FEC are pretty toothless and the penalties are trivial in general.

Now though , Smith is looking at it and there is the potential for federal criminal charges related to wire/mail fraud because he sent out fund-raising mails seeking money for his "Stop the steal" nonsense , but most of it has just been spent on regular Trump expenses and not for the original purpose - So it's money obtained under false pretenses.

Brian? · 08-09-2023 11:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121079646#Comment_121079646

He’s a con man. End of discussion. It’s actually boring to post about him it so clear.

aloyisious · 09-09-2023 9:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121087981#Comment_121087981

Bangs fists against wall "but I want to wake up a certain kind of US voter to that".

aloyisious · 12-09-2023 5:04pm

It looks like Kevin McCarthy has started an end game move with the weird section of the GOP with his announcement that an impeachment charge is to be laid against Joe Biden. Its apparently connected to the GOP plans for an agreement on federal funding or something along those lines.

Quin_Dub · 12-09-2023 5:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121101914#Comment_121101914

The definition of a circular firing squad.

Trying (and failing) to impeach Biden will not win them a single new vote or seat , but it will almost certainly lose them a few in Swing seats.

And when he agrees to launching impeachment , they'll still find a way to cause a shut-down.

Pandering to nutters never ends well

ancapailldorcha · 12-09-2023 5:58pm

What are they trying to get him on? What's the charge, exactly?

Quin_Dub · 12-09-2023 6:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102137#Comment_121102137

Something something "Biden Crime family"...

They haven't said anything specific , because they have nothing.

The Jordan/Comer snipe hunt has been a bust , but the MAGA loons own McCarthy and they want an impeachment to make daddy happy so that's what they'll get so Kevin can keep his job for a few more weeks.

And now that he's announced this , they will pivot to trying to shut-down the Government at the end of the month as well.

ancapailldorcha · 12-09-2023 6:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121102177#Comment_121102177

So, it's plainly a political stunt. A way to get the Democrats back for Trump's multiple impeachments.

I can't see this doing anything for the GOP's voting figures to be honest.

aloyisious · 16-09-2023 10:31pm

Jack Smith seems to know how to conduct his business and I hope he is successful. I have a horror that he may have given Trump something to use in convincing the fanbase that the witch-hunt rabbit-hole is real with his application to the court to gag Trump by judicial order. Trump will obviously make hay until such an order is issued and will probably get his legal team to seek an overturning of the order on infringement of constitutional rights grounds, tying down valuable prosecutor time in court [appeal] appearances.

The similarity to what is standard practice in Putin's Russia is something Trump wont consider unethical or unfriendly to use against Smith, the DOJ and Joe Biden.

aloyisious · 22-09-2023 8:12pm

Don seems to be trying to ride two horses at the same time, attacking RDS on the Florida law against abortion, which he possibly thinks will gain him favour on the pro-abortion rights front when it comes to votes. Attacking RDS on the abortion front will probably lose him Christian votes, if he has still got any in that camp.

aloyisious · 25-09-2023 9:28pm

Trump seems to desire more publicity as he's used his platform to suggest that General Milley, Chair of the JCS, should be executed for the way he ran the US Military exit operation from Afghanistan. He's included a reference to the "Fake News" media in his statement as being the source of his reasoning on what should happen to General Milley while holding Milley responsible for the deaths of several hundred US military there at the time of the pullout. Coincidentally Trump forgot that his administration negotiated the withdrawal settlement with the Taliban in Feb 2020 which excluded the Afghan Govt.

Kettle calling pot black sprang to mind, given how Trump treated the US and its constitution while sitting president. I can only suppose he never thought of how the founding fathers of the US and the writers of it's constitution might treat him for his activities while in office in 2020 and 2021.

It now remains to be seen if the DOJ makes a request that the restraint ruling the judge ordered Trump to comply with not to go after jurors and others including possible witnesses in the court case be enforced on Trump. No doubt Trump would love the publicity any such move would make.

Rjd2 · 26-09-2023 2:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121144569#Comment_121144569

The attack on RDS over the six week ban is fascinating, yeah he is right its to extreme but he is basically saying FU to the evangelicals and tbh I don't see it hurting him whatsoever because the GOP voting block don't care about policy or ideological purity despite all the screeching about Rinos.

It's a damning indictment on them though that they will likely show up to vote for him in the primary instead of the likes of RDS who has run a much more socially conservative campaign, but heh as others have said its a cult with them and they ain't quitting until he is dead.

However I don't think it helps much in the national, I don't think their are many swing voters out their who are going to think much about Trump's abortion stance when it comes to voting in November 2024 and obviously Trump is still bragging about ending Roe which doesn't help either.

aloyisious · 26-09-2023 7:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121157570#Comment_121157570

The facts in your paragraphs should be a boon for RDS from the Evangelical votes POV, if they were to follow the religious belief over the worldly one of Trump-ism. God or Gop?

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-09-2023 9:56pm

This is huge if true, could this be the end of the Trump organisation?

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1706769089296060641?t=YDSlpfkv5t1jjAGFNDejSw&s=19

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1706769089296060641?t=G6a9JmePsLSQDkFwHlaoZQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1706770269573161128?t=2hHjCr5Vx86tsOpLBVRbrQ&s=19

aloyisious · 26-09-2023 10:54pm

Even Allen Weisselberg is on the list, though he's been flipped by the prosecution.....

Nody · 27-09-2023 7:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121161324#Comment_121161324

It's only applicable to businesses run in NY; the question is if he can't move the ownerships etc. to a non NY entity instead. The fact the AG got a summary judgement on Trump's filing and his "It stated on the forms we submitted that the value could be worthless" is big but it only applies to that part; i.e. the judge confirmed Trump lied on the valuation of his property. The AG still needs to show how much the organization benefited from this lie (claim is $150MM in lower interest) and if they get the 5 year ban for them to run companies in NY state or not.

aloyisious · 27-09-2023 11:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121162124#Comment_121162124

So fortunately it's the state and city that may have lost out on revenue, not the fed, due to the false entries on his returns over many years. No pardon if he is prosecuted and sentenced to a term of imprisonment.

I take it these false returns were also used to get loans from banks, include the Deutsche Bank loans, which would be separate fraud offences.

I assume the state took measures to prevent Trump's Companies from transferring ownership of any business and properties listed on the returns.

Rjd2 · 28-09-2023 1:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121160591#Comment_121160591

https://twitter.com/dcoxpolls/status/1707036595071693097

Obviously the above poll like all polls is far from perfect etc, but they are going nowhere and Trump knows it. Marks, cultists, whatever term you want to use its pretty bleak nonetheless.

aloyisious · 28-09-2023 10:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121167376#Comment_121167376

It only remains to see how many years it takes both parties get past the polarisation - that Trump took advantage of and widened to the chasm it is now - and get together to bury the past. Given how the first civil war was successfully resurrected to aid the dissenters and conspiracy theorists in getting the conman-in-chief onside, probably with no real objection as he'd know an opportunity when he saw one, that might take another 150 odd years.

Tony EH · 29-09-2023 1:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121167376#Comment_121167376

A person of faith?

The phrase "Jaysis wept" was never more apt.

Rjd2 · 29-09-2023 2:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121171306#Comment_121171306

The funniest thing about it Trump would be offended to be called that which makes its all the most absurd.🤣

Nody · 29-09-2023 10:47pm

One of former President Donald Trump’s co-defendants has pleaded guilty to five counts in the 2020 election subversion case in Georgia.

Bail bondsman Scott Hall, 59, is the first defendant in the case brought by the Fulton County district attorney’s office to take a plea agreement with prosecutors. Hall was accused of conspiring to unlawfully access voter data and ballot counting machines at the Coffee County election office on January 7, 2021.

He spent hours inside a restricted area of the election office when voting systems were breached, which was connected to efforts by pro-Trump conspiracy theorists to find voter fraud. Hall was captured on surveillance video at the office on the day of the breach. He testified before the special grand jury in the Fulton County case and acknowledged that he gained access to a voting machine.

Taken from CNN and I got a feeling one of many to come if I'm honest...

Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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